Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

vincent

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What if Ireland or Poland call Article 5 as core NATO allies?
Only applies to attacks in North America and Europe

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Article 5​

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
 

sheogorath

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Oct 7th came and went. Also, seems the IDF hasn't been able to get a proper foot inside Lebanon without getting their teenager Captains sent home in a box to the point Netanyahu is asking the Lebanese to riot against Hezbollah after killing a ton of civilians.


To be fair the Irish troops were asked to leave, to which the Irish government refused, so they've put themselves in harms way deliberately.
Something tells me you wouldn't apply that logic to the Ukranian war.



Seem some war criminals, namely the israeli sniper team that recorded themselves braging about killing kids and women are starting to feel the heat and are deleting their social networks

 
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_killuminati_

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The fact rockets from Gaza still fire at Tel Aviv after a whole year of ground fighting shows how much of a spectacular failure the ground operation has been. They haven’t been able to defeat Hamas and they still are delusional to fight Hezbollah in south Lebanon and fighting Iran all at once. Israel is really stretching itself thin hoping the US saves them.
Eradicating Hamas wasn't the goal. The goal was to make Gaza unlivable, so that Gazans would leave voluntarily, making annexing easier. Hence the complete destruction of civilian infrastructure.

Bomb civilian homes first, followed by schools and work places. Then take out hospitals so Gazans have no place for treatment. Destroy water works and energy infrastructure, so no running water and lights. Bomb aid services, refugee camps, and anything that Gazans rely on to stay alive. The message to Gazans is clear: LEAVE! You cannot live here. As in, you literally cannot live here anymore. This has been explained by Israeli officials themselves .. "make life so difficult that nobody will want to live in this hell".

Considering the Russians experiencing some trouble in dealing with Ukrainian Su-24 lobbing cruise missile attacks, what's stopping Iran doing the same anyway? They have around 23 of it.
Ukrainian aircraft are backed by NATO recon assets operating nearby (especially in Poland, Romania and Black Sea), and who knows, maybe even inside Ukraine. Iran doesn't have any credible aerial recon.


I guess the point I was trying to make is that Israel missiles are ready to fly today with nuclear warheads. Iran can detonate a test device, but it will still take time to deploy and operationalize. The second they detonate a test device, Israel can immediately launch a nuclear strike against strategic targets.

Not that I am making the argument Israel should do any of this. They just have the capability to do so.
This retrograde logic. You test nukes to create deterrence, not to get nuked or conventionally attacked (like Iraqi reactors). I'm sure Iran knows the time-sensitive urgency of miniaturization of nukes, hence they will likely only do a hard test once they've already developed the miniaturization required to mount the devices on the appropriate carrier vehicles. That means, if they are to conduct a test soon, then they have probably already miniaturized it. Who knows how many cold tests they've performed - those don't show up in seismic monitoring systems anyways.

Also, this idea of Iran and nukes is being perpetuated in the media most notably by Israel and US. Back in June or July, Blinken said on record "Iran is one-two weeks away from producing enough material for nuclear weapons". They are trying their best to start this war, somehow, anyhow.

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"We had to take it in small doses"
 

SlothmanAllen

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61% of Israelis think Palestinians don't have a right for self-determination and 90% support the invasion of Lebanon along with 52% think they should destroy the entire infrastructure of Lebanon. 83% think Israel has been highly ethical during the war


Society of sociopaths.

These type of responses are why I think stopping this war is going to be very difficult. It seems very much like Israel is willing to fight this conflict come hell or high water.
 

_killuminati_

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61% of Israelis think Palestinians don't have a right for self-determination and 90% support the invasion of Lebanon along with 52% think they should destroy the entire infrastructure of Lebanon. 83% think Israel has been highly ethical during the war

Society of sociopaths.
They are not sociopaths nor psychopaths.

They are judeopaths.
 

sheogorath

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These type of responses are why I think stopping this war is going to be very difficult. It seems very much like Israel is willing to fight this conflict come hell or high water.

That kind of bravado only last as long as the going doesn't get too tough. If the situation last too long to the point where you can't fool yourself into thinking you in for a quick victory, they'll start to bail and make use of their dual citizenship, specially as the services in other areas keep straining by the influx of refugees from other areas of the country.

And there is the whole mental impact since its not just the odd Hamas bottle rocket attack.
 

TK3600

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IDF is now blowing up houses in Lebanon, just like they do in Gaza and the West Bank.
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Israel dropped 73 tons of explosives on a Hezbollah intelligence headquarters in a Beirut suburb where Nasrallah's successor could be located, Ynet reports.
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Ayatollah Khamenei, leader of the Islamic Revolution:
- What we did was the minimum punishment for the Zionists; we will respond harshly to any aggression.
- We must not rush; any situation must be carefully studied before reacting.
- The Al-Aqsa storm is a legitimate reaction of the Palestinians, every rocket fired at the Zionist regime is a service to the entire region, the martyr Nasrallah was at the forefront of the just struggle.
- The dreams of the Zionists and Americans are nothing more than empty illusions, this harmful tree will be uprooted from our region.
- To Hamas and Hezbollah: continue the fight and do not despair.
- The jihad of the Palestinians and Lebanese has set the Zionist regime back 70 years.
- The countries of the region strive for peace and tranquility, the only problem is foreign intervention.
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Imam Khamenei addressing the Friday prayers in Tehran today: The enemy of the Iranian nation is the same as the enemy of the Iraqi nation, the same as the enemy of the Lebanese nation, the same as the enemy of the Egyptian nation; the enemy of all of us is one.
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Weapons captured by Israeli Forces in Lebanon.
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Despite the Israeli ban, a short time ago an Iranian government plane landed at the airport in Beirut with the Iranian foreign minister, Abbas Arakji, as well as "Iranian medical aid" on board.
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More bombings on civilian areas in Beirut.
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Are these Iranians stupid. They are free targets.
 
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