Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

TK3600

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IDF Ground Force relies on air support to an extent that is commonly, and incorrectly, attributed to the US Army. 33 brigades in US Army with smilar split (13 armoured, 20 infantry) would constitute 11 divisions commanding 528 attack helicopters, a minnimum of 704 artillery pieces and 198 rocket artillery systems (and 297 in new structure). The number of tanks would match that in IDF but all the fire support assets are completely insufficient.
So tanks are even but other fire supports are lacking.

Perhaps it is as much a doctrine issue as shortage itself. There is no infantry protecting the tank in urban area. You could get away in open field, but in urban area it is asking for disaster.

The over-reliance on the air force is IDF's Achilles' heel. Consider how much harder the intervention in Gaza after 7/10 would be without air support.

Furthermore IDF having specialised in limited military operations in the occupied territories and Lebanon has insufficient numbers of heavy armoured vehicles. M113s are useful for contemporary battlefield - they work in Ukraine because Russia is similarly under-equipped, with old and unergonomic BMPs and BTRs. But in hilly terrains M113s will not provide necessary protection. IDF ground forces will therefore be over-reliant on its tanks and will inevitably have to resort to building fortified areas to protect its infantry.
Come on. Israel is ahead of US when it comes to IFV protection. Namers, Achzarit, to name a few, are well protected vs US equivalents and they have large quantity of them. Blaming it on M113's protection is not right.

At first you pin the blame on lacking direct fire support which I can see, but dissing on their APC protection is not it. If anything they have the most well protected ones.
 

_killuminati_

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Come on. Israel is ahead of US when it comes to IFV protection. Namers, Achzarit, to name a few, are well protected vs US equivalents and they have large quantity of them. Blaming it on M113's protection is not right.

At first you pin the blame on lacking direct fire support which I can see, but dissing on their APC protection is not it. If anything they have the most well protected ones.
If you've seen the footage from Gaza, they are sitting ducks, worse than tanks

Are these Iranians stupid. They are free targets.
They've already established that they can penetrate Israeli air defence and target any government office in the country. So, this can also be bait: FAFO.
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IOF APC captured by Hezbollah
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Iraqi drone kills IOF in Golan Heights
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F-16 hangars at Ovda airbase were struck by the Irani missiles
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Upclose shots of Irani BM launches
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USN Tomahawk strikes Hodeidah (Yemen)
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Rocket damage in northern Israel
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TK3600

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There are two competing theories why the US backs Israel unconditionally.

1. Noam Chomsky's theory of "Israel as a US vassal"

2. John Mearsheimer's theory of the "Israel lobby"

I used to subscribe to Chomsky's theory when I was younger, but I have realised that Mearshimer's theory is much more persuasive. The most important reason is that a vassal does what it is told. The US is trying to de-escalate yet Israel spits in its face and it still gets loads of money and weapons. You cannot explain that unless you accept Mearsheimer's theory of an existance of an Israel lobby.

Ukraine is more like a US vassal. It gets a lot of support, but it doesn't dictate to the US the way that Israel can. The US has been slow-walking money and weapons to Ukraine recently in a way that it seems unable to for Israel, despite Israel's far more objectionable behaviour. The mass-killing in Gaza has no precedent.

That said, even if we accept that Mearsheimer is more correct than Chomsky was, there are ways to debate his theories which are more respectful than others.
The fact US allowed Israel develop nuclear arsenal is telling enough. No other vassal does that. Not Japan, SK, Taiwan, Ukraine, Germany. Because with nuke American prtection is redundant.

Noam Chomsky is a Jew. He might not be a zionist but there is clearly conflict of interest. Drawing faults of zionists will draw attention to other Jews, warranted or not. So he hide zionist's responsibility, which in a way makes him complacit. A person with conflict of interest has no credit.
 

_killuminati_

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These videos depict dozens of Iron Dome interceptions above Haifa
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...but these following videos show widespread damage in Haifa
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Is this the Israeli response?
Building in Damascus, near Irani embassy struck by the Apartheid. Syria reported Irani casualties.
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New video from Jordan (probably across the Dead Sea) showing Irani BM entering Israel
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Apparently Safad is also attacked, not sure about 300 rockets
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IOF attack in Syria
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TK3600

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If you blame "all Jews" you're not being antisemitic. Anti-semitism is one and only one very specific thing - anti-Jewish racism.

It comes from 18th and 19th century pseudoscientific theories on "race" which identified Jews as a "Semitic race". The very same pseudoscientific theories led to the creation of the notion of the "Aryan race".

The best example and the best practical definition of anti-semitism is in the Nuremberg Laws of Nazi Germany from 1935. The law defines categories of citizens based on their "racial" or "blood" heritage. Up to 1/8 of Jewish ancestry was considered "German blood". Between 3/8 and 1/2 Jewish ancestry was "mixed-blood" (Mischling). Anything more than that put the individual as "Jew" unconditionally. German-blood and mixed-blood individuals were eligible for German citizenship. "Jews" were not.

Note that it didn't matter what religion you professed or what cultural traditions you upheld. Your ancestry alone decides the outcome. An individual had no ability to choose for himself.

Nazi genocide of Jews wasn't caused by their "hatred of Jews" but by their belief in the racist pseudoscience which told them that Jewish culture was biological and couldn't be reformed. Jews were literal disease in the body of German nation that had to be contained and eliminated. Nazi belief was that the reason why Germany was weak e.g. lost the war was caused by Jewish influence. This was why despite widespread anti-Jewish prejudice in Russia millions of Jews lived there since 17th century until 1991 while Nazis began implementing their policies of racial cleansing within a year of coming to power.

You can easily contrast anti-semitism with anti-Judaism of Christians who were prejudiced against Jews on religious grounds as people who profess a religion. Christian anti-Judaism is therefore explicitly a prejudice against an action - a voluntary choice. If a Jew converted to Christianity and proved his faith he would not be treated as a Jew as it would be sinful to do so toward a brother in Christ. Whenever there was prejudice against converts it always was fueled by either false rumours, suspicions or incidents of these converts continuing their previous religious practices or customs or retaining close ties with their former community. Those incidents would then be extended to the entire population imposing guilt by association and leading to mass persecution.
  • Christian prejudice is: "these people had a choice and rejected it"
  • Anti-semitic prejudice is: "it doesn't matter what these people choose to do because their nature rules them".
A Christian who is loyal to Christian religious doctrine will be pressured to nevertheless "love thy enemy" even if he holds personal prejudice against Jews. On the other hand a Nazi who is loyal to Nazi doctrine will have to support racial cleansing even if they hold no personal prejudice against Jews. The difference couldn't be more explicit and history confirms it. And yet...

Many Jewish groups and almost all Zionists promote the distorted understanding of "anti-semitism" as any type of prejudice against Jews. It's a malicious lie that erases the knowledge of why a horrific event occurred and instills fear of the event becoming a possibility for one's perceived benefit.

It is an evil act and needs to be treated as such. Its propagators are people who consciously choose evil and need to be treated as such.

And just so that there is no misunderstanding - genuine anti-semites or people who think like them but express their views in the framework of a different ideology or religion - are also evil.

It's precisely because we have very good understanding of how human behaviour and core moral principles are formed and informed during life that to deny it is possibly the single most evil act because it is the blurring of lines dividing good from evil.




The most influential group in US politics are billionaires. Being a Jewish Zionist or Christian Zionist is (1) a disguise and a distraction, (2) psychopathic confidence trick described above.

Rapture is a narcissistic power fantasy of being the "chosen one" not a genuinely spiritual belief in the nature of salvation. Rapture is rejected by all established Christian churches as it is inspired by mistranslation of the text. You give these people something else to feel chosen one about and they forget about Israel as quickly as they became obsessed by it.



Chomsky and Mearsheimer are correct at the same time. They represent the two perspectives in any bilateral relationship and do so with personal bias. Chomsky (Jew) wants to excuse Jews. Marsheimer (German-Irish Christian) wants to excuse Americans. In reality Israel is a US vassal (a political entity that owes its current political position to a different political entity) since US effectively prevented state collapse in 1980s. But since Israel is not happy about the asymmetric relationship with the US it established an extensive overt and covert influence network to "wag the dog" as much as possible.

However:

US does not support Israel unconditionally. The US does only what is necessary to maintain Israel's position as the tool of US foreign policy. US protects Israeli policy toward Palestine because if Israel was forced to revise it it would stop being useful to the US - as the only way to do so would be to transform Israel into a more democratic and less militarised state.

US doesn't need a democratic and peaceful Israel. It needs a rabid dog on a chain that it alone can constrain (but with great effort so you better do what the US politely asks of you or they may get tired holding the chain).

Israel is the tool of influencing Arab dictatorships by keeping the general population of the countries angry at Israel and thus putting the ruling class at a knife's edge because of their pragmatic and cynical attitude to Israel.

For example Saudi Arabia i.e. Arab state ruled by the house of Saud is a state that exists only through constant bribery of its population enabled by oil wealth. Saudis have an agreement with Pakistan that in case of anti-Saudi uprising Pakistan will intervene. They similarly have an agreement that if Iran develops nuclear weapons Pakistan will provide nuclear warheads for Saudi Strategic Missile Force which uses Chinese DF-3 and DF-21 delivery systems, sans warhead.

Every single Gulf monarchy is permanently on the brink of a revolution - especially a religious one against secular regimes.

How do you trigger one? You provide the excuse for the next Caliph leading the charge against the defilers of Al-Aqsa. So US loosens the leash a little and the Arab rulers begin to sweat.

This is incidentally why Saudi Arabia was involved in 9/11. They hate US imperial policy in the region just as Israel does - while at the same time trying to use that imperial potential to their own purposes.
'Jews' do not equal 'semites'. Semites are a large group of people like Egyptians and nobody has issues with Egyptians, only 'Jews'. How dare zionists pretend to be entire population of semites when they are a tiny minority? If you use their language you have already lost.

Second, zionists Jews are not semites. They are white Europeans from eastern Europe and Caucasus. It is the consensus of every modern genetic test, thats why Israel banned it. As far as I know nobody hate actual semitic Jews forever living in middle east. If you use the word "anti-semite" on "anti-zionist" you are willingly putting innocent Jews as their hostage. Then giving them authority to represent Egyptians.

Lastly zionists are not even Jewish. The zionists today are secular, they are hardly even Jewish by religion. They frequently beat down devoted orthodox Jews challenging theur narrative. So zionists are neither Jewish nor semite.

These zionist colonists are the biggest killer of semites. They are the true anti-semite.

If you disagree with me you are anti-sinodefenceforum, even though nobody consented to my representation. o_O
 

_killuminati_

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Oct 3, Hezbollah fired BM on Tel Aviv. Hit something.
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•From Hezbollah Operations Channel•

Infographic | 366 Days — 3194 Operations of the Islamic Resistance in the Battle of the Flood of Al-Aqsa from 10/08/2023 to 10/08/2024 (12:00 PM)

Weapons used
Artillery: 589
Surface-to-surface missiles: 1,305
Snipers and machine guns: 97
Anti-aircraft weapons: 77
Drones: 221
Guided missiles: 760
Recoilless rifles: 184
Explosive devices: 32
Ballistic missiles: 3
Appropriate weapons: 94

Numbers represent number of attacks, not the number of projectiles or missiles

Targets
Border sites: 1,570
Settlements: 570
Military points: 279
Drones and jets: 68
Barracks: 505
Military bases: 177
Repelling ground incursions: 22
Airbases: 3
Military personnel positions: 1,040

Numbers represents number of times targeted

Enemy losses
Military vehicles: 141
Command centers: 250
Barricades and fortifications: 895
Technical equipment: 493
Settler units: 1,153
Military factories: 11
Artillery positions: 88
Iron Dome platforms: 14
Spy balloons: 2
Drones: 8

Enemy Homefront
Radius of evacuated area: 30Km
Settlements evacuated: 100+
Internally displaced settlers: 300,000+
Targeting depth: 150Km
Casualties (killed and wounded): 2,000+

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Hezbollah recon drones fly uninterrupted over Haifa
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^^ This I've seen many times across northern Israel, even over Israeli airforce bases

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Dumb*** Abbas says "we will not leave" after giving up armed resistance 18 years ago
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Shake hands with the devil and pay the price

British Psy-Ops with Israel
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Rockets make landing in Israeli settlement. Note how the siren is sounded after the first couple impacts, indicating IOF did not see it coming
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So tanks are even but other fire supports are lacking.

Perhaps it is as much a doctrine issue as shortage itself. There is no infantry protecting the tank in urban area. You could get away in open field, but in urban area it is asking for disaster.


Come on. Israel is ahead of US when it comes to IFV protection. Namers, Achzarit, to name a few, are well protected vs US equivalents and they have large quantity of them. Blaming it on M113's protection is not right.

At first you pin the blame on lacking direct fire support which I can see, but dissing on their APC protection is not it. If anything they have the most well protected ones.
Tank conversions have some tradeoffs in manueverability though. Israeli ones in particular haven't been that succesful, despite not being in real battles so far.

BMPT perform well, but most people seem to believe it's good because of its heavy firepower.

There's probably a reason why PLAGF and US army don't use conversion APCs that much.
 

iBBz

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A very informative meeting between Judge Napolitano, Larry Johnson and Ray McGovern.

Some of the things they discuss include the chosen Smotrich calling for conquering all of the Middle East, as well as another chosen one by the name of Matthew Brodsky, a former Whitehouse official, suggesting the IDF should carpet bomb and napalm the Irish peace keepers in Lebanon.

EDIT: My guess is Smotrich is panicking, because nobody in the Middle East is allowing the US to use their airspace, and Azerbaijan refused to allow them to use Azerbaijani airports to strike Iran, so he made that dumb statement.


US ‘peace advisor' calls for Israeli troops to ‘carpet-bomb’ area where Irish peacekeepers are stationed
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QUARTER Of Israelis Plan To LEAVE After Lebanon Invasion
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