Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
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I think this:
You're using me as a stage prop to maintain the illusion that you're not talking to yourself. The problem is that while it's your show you're the only person deceived by your tricks. I don't know what it is that you're trying to do but you're very bad at it. In any case I won't disturb you since you seem to have such a great time. Have fun.
Is a great response to this:
If only we were on a Chinese-themed forum where the process of stagnation, ossification, corruption and hubris leading to political collapse would be readily understood based on similarities to Chinese history. Alas, we're not in one such place. We're somewhere much sillier.
It's a perfect description of how you use this forum. If I had taken psychology courses, I'd say something clever about projection. Instead I'll just wish you well and hope you have fun also.
 

mossen

Junior Member
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Why did Poles in the 1980s and Iranians today consider their system completely irredeemable to the point of risking their lives to destroy it and hand their country over to a power they must know on some level considers them an enemy and doesn't wish them well?
I don't think Iran in 2024 and Poland in the 1980s are comparable. And to suggest that the US is an "enemy of Poland" is nonsensical. Poland was forced into a Soviet-controlled system("Warsaw pact") as a result of WWII. So it ended up with a system imposed on it by outside forces. Once it regained independence in 1989, it quickly moved to rejoin the West where it belongs.

By contrast, Iran in effect chose its own path with the 1978 revolution, which means they are themselves responsible for what they have now, even if the regime is losing popularity these days. Folks forget that the 1978 revolution was supported by many socialist and secular types too, even if many ended up regretting it.
 

mossen

Junior Member
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North Korea has much higher political legitimacy than Iran. It is why they never, ever have infiltration issues. It's not just about economy or governance (Shah was shit too) but a coherent "national story".
I think it's simpler than that. North Korea is much more cut off from the West than Iran is. Plus, Iran has a very large diaspora in the West, many of whom are from elite backgrounds and who still have connections in the home country. All of this creates lots of "vectors of attack" for intelligence agencies.

It's the same problem we see in so many other Third World countries: elites are often desperate to be associated with the West and many are thoroughly corrupt, sending their relatives and ill-gotten gains to the West. I suspect ex-president Raisi was assassinated by Israel this year, but admitting so publicly would have been a massive embarrassment. And the Israelis and the Americans couldn't have done it without high-level moles and collaborators.

North Korea, because of its isolation, can ward these forces off.
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
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I think it's simpler than that. North Korea is much more cut off from the West than Iran is. Plus, Iran has a very large diaspora in the West, many of whom are from elite backgrounds and who still have connections in the home country. All of this creates lots of "vectors of attack" for intelligence agencies.

It's the same problem we see in so many other Third World countries: elites are often desperate to be associated with the West and many are thoroughly corrupt, sending their relatives and ill-gotten gains to the West. I suspect ex-president Raisi was assassinated by Israel this year, but admitting so publicly would have been a massive embarrassment. And the Israelis and the Americans couldn't have done it without high-level moles and collaborators.

North Korea, because of its isolation, can ward these forces off.
North Korea has South Korea to compare to yet South Korea having more money doesn't give them any political legitimacy in North Korea.
 

SlothmanAllen

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I wonder how much the assassination of Qasem Soleimani plays into the problems organizations like Hezbollah are having today? From what I understand he was a lynchpin player in Iranian operations throughout the region. I might have missed it, but I haven't seen his name mentioned lately and I've wondered if what we are seeing are the ramifications (at least partially) from his assassination in 2020.
 
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