Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

mossen

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I wonder how much the assassination of Qasem Soleimani plays into the problems organizations like Hezbollah are having today? From what I understand he was a lynchpin player in Iranian operations throughout the region.
Fair question, but it seems to me like Soleimani was one of the few who wasn't corrupt and had a genuine conviction. There are ideological hardliners in Iran, but they are clearly not as dominant as Iranian propaganda accounts would have you believe. The former head of the anti-Mossad dept turned out to be a Mossad agent!

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TK3600

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I think this:

Is a great response to this:

It's a perfect description of how you use this forum. If I had taken psychology courses, I'd say something clever about projection. Instead I'll just wish you well and hope you have fun also.
Did you get angry PM too?
I don't think Iran in 2024 and Poland in the 1980s are comparable. And to suggest that the US is an "enemy of Poland" is nonsensical. Poland was forced into a Soviet-controlled system("Warsaw pact") as a result of WWII. So it ended up with a system imposed on it by outside forces. Once it regained independence in 1989, it quickly moved to rejoin the West where it belongs.

By contrast, Iran in effect chose its own path with the 1978 revolution, which means they are themselves responsible for what they have now, even if the regime is losing popularity these days. Folks forget that the 1978 revolution was supported by many socialist and secular types too, even if many ended up regretting it.
The current theocracy cannot last. It is way too backward for an advanced nation that barely take religion seriously any more. But that switch of regime has to wait. Too much western compradors to swap now. Better to have a sincere but backward government than a more fashionable but disloyal government.
 

obj 705A

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leaving aside all the talk of the mistakes that Hezbollah made. Nasrallah was one of the very few leaders in the entire muslim world who had basic human decency. all other muslim countries chose to either sit & just watch 2 million muslims get genocided or even worse some (like Egypt & Jordan) chose to strengthen their economic relations with Israel while Nasrallah basicaly chose to give up his life for the Palestinians. frankly it's not just the governments but I would say even the muslim people have failed. almost the entire muslim ummah except groups like Hezbollah have been exposed as one big sham. we have seen the value that most muslims put on the lives of other muslims, and that value is unfortunately zero.

it appears the only time the Muslim "ummah" moves is when the US wants to overthrow a foreign government or start civil unrest in another non western country.
 

Michael90

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leaving aside all the talk of the mistakes that Hezbollah made. Nasrallah was one of the very few leaders in the entire muslim world who had basic human decency. all other muslim countries chose to either sit & just watch 2 million muslims get genocided or even worse some (like Egypt & Jordan) chose to strengthen their economic relations with Israel while Nasrallah basicaly chose to give up his life for the Palestinians. frankly it's not just the governments but I would say even the muslim people have failed. almost the entire muslim ummah except groups like Hezbollah have been exposed as one big sham. we have seen the value that most muslims put on the lives of other muslims, and that value is unfortunately zero.

it appears the only time the Muslim "ummah" moves is when the US wants to overthrow a foreign government or start civil unrest in another non western country.
Hezbollahs whole raison d'etre and legitimacy lies with its claim to be an anti Israeli resistance movement . So if ut didnt do anything symbolic to show this when Israel Invaded Gaza after the 7th october attacks then it would lose all legitimacy and militant group a d organization as a while and this will affect her ranks as people will be reluctant to join the group in future. So Hezbollah had to be seen to be doing something. Note that they didnt do anything drastic or groundbreaking against Israel because they jave been trying everything to avoid a conflict with Israel due to obvious reasons. The problem is that they underestimated Israel's resolve and thought that Israel wont overract to some small isolated missiles being launched in northern Israel though there was barely any casulaty. So they didnt think Israel will launch such heavy attacks against them and even a now possible ground invasion, since they believe Israel wont want to start another conflict when they are already enegaged in Gaza. However they miscalculated Israel's response and capabilities.

Secondly, you cant say Hezbollah is the only muslim organization that cares about other muslims. Lol Seriously? Then why did they get involved in Syria to help the Assad dictatorship in suppressing the Syrian revolution? Lol They did so not because they thought it was the moral or right thing to do, but because it served rheir interests and they reluctant on Syrian support to fery their weapons from Iran , not because they cared about the Syrian muslims being massacred. Lol So we should stop looking at things here from a black and white perspective. There is no such thing in the region. Every actor has their own selfish intersts at play and i don't blame them. Its how the real world works. Realpolitik..lol

So we if we are talking about caring for human lives(or Muslim lives in particular like you seem to allude to) then we would have expected to see the same level of outraged at the syrian regime for their actions in Syria no? Or the hundred of thousands of people who died and are dying in Syria are not muslims enough? Or its not that bad since they are being killed by a muslim regime? More have died in Syria war cauaed by Asaad dynasty than Israel can ever wish. That's the ironic thing. Yet we don't see similar outrage or movement against this. Weird.
 
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coolgod

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So we if we are talking about caring for human lives(or Muslim lives in particular like you seem to allude to) then we would have expected to see the same level of outraged at the syrian regime for their actions in Syria no? Or the hundred of thousands of people who died and are dying in Syria are not muslims enough? Or its not that bad since they are being killed by a muslim regime? More have died in Syria war cauaed by Asaad dynasty than Israel can ever wish. That's the ironic thing. Yet we don't see similar outrage or movement against this. Weird.
Don't forget the Muslims who are ethnically cleansed in India, especially in Kashmir. The whole Islamic world just forgot about them.
 

obj 705A

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Then why did they get involved in Syria to help the Assad dictatorship in suppressing the Syrian revolution?
they helped Assad against NATO funded and trained "moderate" headchoppers. not some pro democracy rebels.

Or the hundred of thousands of people who died and are dying in Syria are not muslims enough
out of the 500 or so people killed in Syria. 170k were Syrian soldiers and their allied militias. 170k were the pro NATO militias plus ISIS etc.. that leaves around 160k or so civilians killed including pro government civilians which would probably represent at the very least a third of these dead civilians since the "rebels" used to regularly shell residential areas. plus the NATO funded "moderate" headchoppers used to put civilians (mainly women & children) in cages by the truck loads and hanging the cages around their bases and command centers so whenever these "rebels" are bombed naturaly those civilians would die. this is all documented in videos by the "rebels" themselves not to mention the NATO "moderate" headchoppers used to regulary post videos of them beheading civilians including children especially at the beginning of the war. in of one the latest videos that I remember a bunch of US backed "rebels" where on a truck and they grabbed a child and they started cutting his head off slowly with some tiny knife & these NATO backed maniacs were laughing as if they were doing something funny. back at that time the US said they will investigate this matter...

So if ut didnt do anything symbolic

giving up your life is the ultimate form of sacrafice. calling it "symbolic" is quite illogical to put it mildly.
 

Chevalier

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if the Anglo atlanticists were so obsessed enough to want Assange’s kids DNA like the Bene Tleilaxu from Dune using genetic material to concoct genetic selective hereditary diseases, can you imagine what they were researching in those Ukrainian labs? And why they initially selected covid to target East Asian genomes?
 

Sinnavuuty

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leaving aside all the talk of the mistakes that Hezbollah made. Nasrallah was one of the very few leaders in the entire muslim world who had basic human decency. all other muslim countries chose to either sit & just watch 2 million muslims get genocided or even worse some (like Egypt & Jordan) chose to strengthen their economic relations with Israel while Nasrallah basicaly chose to give up his life for the Palestinians. frankly it's not just the governments but I would say even the muslim people have failed. almost the entire muslim ummah except groups like Hezbollah have been exposed as one big sham. we have seen the value that most muslims put on the lives of other muslims, and that value is unfortunately zero.

it appears the only time the Muslim "ummah" moves is when the US wants to overthrow a foreign government or start civil unrest in another non western country.
Western student movements that defend the Palestinian cause do much more than the Arab countries in the region.
 

Sinnavuuty

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I wonder how much the assassination of Qasem Soleimani plays into the problems organizations like Hezbollah are having today? From what I understand he was a lynchpin player in Iranian operations throughout the region. I might have missed it, but I haven't seen his name mentioned lately and I've wondered if what we are seeing are the ramifications (at least partially) from his assassination in 2020.
Interesting thought. From that moment on, the Axis of Resistance began to lose strength and the Saudi Arabia-Israel agreement would be the nail in the coffin of the Resistance. But I truly believe that the Axis' leverage only gained strength when the US and the West created the Arab Spring. After that tragedy, the Axis emerged victorious from this mess, and had an opportunity to strengthen itself in Syria and Iraq.
 
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sheogorath

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Western student movements that defend the Palestinian cause do much more than the Arab countries in the region.


The Gulf and Jordanian parasites permanence and survival hinges on the deals with the US and by extension, Israel. It is what allows them to trample on their own populations whenever they get to discontent and uppity over the current coditions.

It is why Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar were allowed to gun down people during the Arab Spring while Libya was turned into a slave market and Syria almost met the same fate.
 
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