Besides Hezbollah forces on the field at the border with Israel don’t use wireless communications. They use closed telephone lines. If Hamas and the other Gaza factions are able to use closed landlines in their operations in Gaza so is Hezbollah. Many Lebanese and Syrian journalist who are close to Hezbollah has said this. This was just an attack to spread panic amongst Lebanese society. And also for Hezbollah to retaliate harshly to give Israel the excuse to wage war against Hezbollah.
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It just destroys their (and any country friendly to them) credibility in supply chains. BTW why not use this when they're fighting on the ground against Hezbollah? It seems like it didn't work against most targets or only caused minor injury, but if it was estimated by Israel to be more useful, it should be something they should use during an event like 2006, to enhance a ground offensive.
Rather than brilliant, it's just the luxury of being a country backed to a corner and hence not needing to plan for the future. Easy to burn your bridges behind you if your future prognosis is joining Rhodesia. Not so easy if you want to remain a post war credible industrial/world power.
You are talking about detonating explosive devices all over multiple cities all at once in proximity of many innocent people, terrorizing and confusing an entire population. Calling this a military operation is dehumanizing. It should not be normalized. If this is normalized and praised, no place on earth would be safe for anyone. Civilians are supposed to be off limits. This was nothing short of a terrorist attack.
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Thank you for confirming. 12 dead, including 2 children and 4 medics. So at least half the dead are civilians. The identity of the remaining dead is unclear, but even if we assume them to be Hezbollah members, not all of them would have been fighters. Hezbollah is a large civilian organisation that also has an armed wing.
So at least half the victims were innocents. If we extrapolate to the wounded, that's 1400 wounded random civilians. Most likely including 466 children (if 1 in 6 are children, just as among those killed). Hundreds of children potentially disabled for life, and you don't call this terrorism?
Hard to judge without a clear picture. But the general Israeli standard seem to be about 75-90% civilians in any major operation, so I guess it's perhaps the least inhumane Israel has ever been?
The Western propaganda doesn't care whether it's 1% or 99% though, they use the same language regardless which is more dependant on their ideological leanings: Israel killing civilians is tragic, but "terrorists" will always be pointed out as those morally responsible.
Remember how Assad is the only one guilty of every dead Syrian for over a decade? Those who performed acts of war against the country, with the intent to fuel the flames - such as the US, UK, France, Israel, etc - are in no way guilty. Despite crimes against peace in theory being considered a very serious violation as for example Rudolf Hess demonstrates.
Here's the list of dead that hezbollah themselves disclosed.
Then you have the thousands of injured that likely won't be able to fight in the coming days or weeks as Israel prepares to invade south Lebanon.
Now for the rumors... Saudi news which was picked up by JP claims 19 IRGC members were killed in Syria when their pagers went off too which isn't far fetch to conclude IRGC and hezbollah members having same com systems.
Iran of course denies it...
Of course logic dictates that Iran is lying because why would the Iranian Ambassador to Lebanon have this exact pager?
Claims that these are hezbollah members...
I call BS I think these are IRGC members
Then you have the thousands of injured that likely won't be able to fight in the coming days or weeks as Israel prepares to invade south Lebanon.
Now for the rumors... Saudi news which was picked up by JP claims 19 IRGC members were killed in Syria when their pagers went off too which isn't far fetch to conclude IRGC and hezbollah members having same com systems.
Pager explosions killed 19 IRGC members in Syria - report
An additional 150 IRGC members were also wounded in the explosions, Army Radio reported, citing the Saudi news source.
Iran of course denies it...
Of course logic dictates that Iran is lying because why would the Iranian Ambassador to Lebanon have this exact pager?
Claims that these are hezbollah members...
I call BS I think these are IRGC members
you guys just talk and talk. There is empty talk and then then there is an actual bomb going off literally in your pocket.
In reality, in war, there are no rules except the ones forced and imposed by force.
Israel has enough backing that it can just wave away these "rules". now if a country doesn't have enough backing, even if it kills only 1 civilian per 1000 killed militants, they will be retaliated harshly and made to bow down their heads.
That's the very definition of power. The emperor points to shit and say its gold. Do you dare to speak up?
In reality, in war, there are no rules except the ones forced and imposed by force.
Israel has enough backing that it can just wave away these "rules". now if a country doesn't have enough backing, even if it kills only 1 civilian per 1000 killed militants, they will be retaliated harshly and made to bow down their heads.
That's the very definition of power. The emperor points to shit and say its gold. Do you dare to speak up?
Thing is, if you claim to be part of the "humanitarian liberal world order" you can only do so much before people dump you. Where you become more of liability than an asset.
Israel is quickly becoming a liability and this kind of shit is the type of thing where any gains made don't compensante the risk and the effects, not just in the world view of the world on Israel, but on Israeli products and western supply chains. The support they get from the US at this point isn't rational but religious fanaticism hoping for the "Apocalypse", and that can only get you so far, specially in a declining power like the US.
Also this worship of "might makes right" is some white supremacist stuff.
It also completely ignores that pagers are a thing in Lebanon due to the crumbling communication infraestructure in the country, so its not just "Hezbollah" that uses them.
Ah, I see we have switched jobs to hasbara.
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too much koolaid I think. Might makes right is literally the definition of geopolitics and the interplay between countries since communities started forming
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I think the Israelis must be preparing an invasion or they are truly beyond desperate.
The pager attack was meant to cause damage. The radio and other attacks are intended to cause disruption as Hezbollah starts to doubt all their electronic devices and seeks replacements en mass. That creates an opening for Israel where for a brief period, Hezbollah C&C are significantly degraded.
But this is a fleeting and rapidly closing window, as Iran’s friends abroad could ship in all the replacements they could want within days to weeks, and a short trip from Iran to Lebanon later and Hezbollah C&C are back up and running.
If Israel launches its invasion in the coming days, then these attacks will go down as an effective novel preparation attack. If they don’t invade, then they would have wasted an extremely valuable trump card for very little real gains.
But I think this attack has crossed a real red line that cannot be rolled back now, as the attacks have shown the world how dangerous and damaging supply chain compromises can be.
It’s difficult to map out the full implications and ramifications, but I think it’s a safe bet that electronics will get more expensive as everyone ramps up security to prevent such tempering.
At first glance, I think this will be even more bad news for the likes of Apple that loves to black box things and prevent user access. I can easily see a massive increase in demand for detachable batteries for certain comms gear where previously integrated was the norm. That way you can buy your comms gear and batteries separately and can easily test the batteries for surprises before use.
This might also be massively bad news for European, American and even SEA manufacturers as they might be seen as more prone to being comprised compared to Chinese ones.
China will also need to be extra vigilant since I bet the Anglo intelligence agencies will seek to comprise Chinese make gear to smear China if they seem their own market shares start to evaporate because of this.
Also, this might be a really big blow for EVs. Imagine how much explosive Mossad can pack in their batteries.
The pager attack was meant to cause damage. The radio and other attacks are intended to cause disruption as Hezbollah starts to doubt all their electronic devices and seeks replacements en mass. That creates an opening for Israel where for a brief period, Hezbollah C&C are significantly degraded.
But this is a fleeting and rapidly closing window, as Iran’s friends abroad could ship in all the replacements they could want within days to weeks, and a short trip from Iran to Lebanon later and Hezbollah C&C are back up and running.
If Israel launches its invasion in the coming days, then these attacks will go down as an effective novel preparation attack. If they don’t invade, then they would have wasted an extremely valuable trump card for very little real gains.
But I think this attack has crossed a real red line that cannot be rolled back now, as the attacks have shown the world how dangerous and damaging supply chain compromises can be.
It’s difficult to map out the full implications and ramifications, but I think it’s a safe bet that electronics will get more expensive as everyone ramps up security to prevent such tempering.
At first glance, I think this will be even more bad news for the likes of Apple that loves to black box things and prevent user access. I can easily see a massive increase in demand for detachable batteries for certain comms gear where previously integrated was the norm. That way you can buy your comms gear and batteries separately and can easily test the batteries for surprises before use.
This might also be massively bad news for European, American and even SEA manufacturers as they might be seen as more prone to being comprised compared to Chinese ones.
China will also need to be extra vigilant since I bet the Anglo intelligence agencies will seek to comprise Chinese make gear to smear China if they seem their own market shares start to evaporate because of this.
Also, this might be a really big blow for EVs. Imagine how much explosive Mossad can pack in their batteries.