Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

obj 705A said:

the type of weapon used does not determine at all whether the attack is a terrorist attack or not. the only thing that matters is whether it was used to specifically target civilians or not. whether it's a knife or a car bomb or a strike aircraft the purpose of a weapon is to kill. the way you said it it almost sounds like you are saying that airstrikes are just bit cleaner and more moral way to kill than walkie talkies.



the only devices that exploded so far were the walki talkies and the pagers bought by Hezbolah. if you have any different information then feel free to share the source with us.

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Considering that children are among the dead and wounded, this was clearly not a high precision attack

What makes this attack more "terrorist" than an airstrike in southern Lebanon, is that it strikes fear and terror into the hearts of all people in Lebanon and the world. A very large part of the global population will have looked at their phones and other electronic devices with new eyes. Terrorist attacks are attacks that are done for the psychological impact on the civilian population rather than a pure military purpose.

The Israeli operation was insane from a tactical point of view and this first time in modern warfare something of this magnitude was done BUT they only managed to kill a few dozens of their intended target, probably a lot of those are civilians, remains to be seen how many of the injured are disabled for life, my guess only a percentage of the injured which if we do not count civilians doesn't seem to be a big percentage of Hezbollah fighting force. What this attack really did was to make a lot of people angry and high probability of full blown war exists or even maybe a wave of attacks against Israelis civilians all over globe. Let see what happens. This thing is just escalating out of control.

Even Western media acknowledges that amongst injured were medics, so yes, this was indeed a terrorist attack.

Proton said:

Let's not forget it's on the anniversary of the Shatila and Sabra massacre, an act of genocide in every way supported by Israel.
Hardly a coincidence, as Israel/Mossad full well knows the ramifications.

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Also on the anniversary of the Mukden Incident which Japan used as false flag for invasion of China.
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Heavy US/UK recon presence around Lebanon atm

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Among the casualties in Lebanon is the Irani ambassador to Lebanon who lost his eye in the attack.

Minm said:

Considering that children are among the dead and wounded, this was clearly not a high precision attack

What makes this attack more "terrorist" than an airstrike in southern Lebanon, is that it strikes fear and terror into the hearts of all people in Lebanon and the world. A very large part of the global population will have looked at their phones and other electronic devices with new eyes. Terrorist attacks are attacks that are done for the psychological impact on the civilian population rather than a pure military purpose.

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out of a total casualty of 2800 only two children & 4 medics were killed. this is quite acceptable as far as civilian deaths in military operations goes. the two children were playing with their dads pager who apparently was a Hezbolah militant.

"According to the Minister of Health, the bombings have so far killed 12 people, including an 11-year-old boy and an 8-year-old girl, in addition to 4 medical personnel, while the number of wounded ranges between 2,750 and 2,800."


the only devices that exploded are those imported by Hezbolah because they have been booby traped with explosives. if you are just a regular civilian and you don't use Hezbolah comunications and you are still paranoid then Israel is under no obligation to make you feel safe especially not when Israel is trying to defeat your country.

as for airstrikes on the other hand.. do you know how they count the dead in Gaza as a result of airstrikes? in a few months old article in Al Jazeera a Palestinian said whenever there is an airstrike on a building they go in & they rarely find any bodies. instead the only thing they find is bones, blood & flesh splatered all over the floor & the walls & they start scrapping it off the floor and put it in bags in and they weight it. every 70kg of meat and bone is considered one dead person. these airstrikes are being carried out all over the strip. now how is that for "striking fear & terror".

I don't know about you but even if I was allowed to have an infinite supply of food & water in Gaza still I would rather be a civilian in Lebanon and just not use any Hezbolah comunications devices (since some of them have been booby-trapped) than being a civilian in Gaza.

obj 705A said:

. every 70kg of meat and bone is considered one dead person. these airstrikes are being carried out all over the strip. now how is that for "striking fear & terror".

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Western definition of terrorism is contriving: if it happens inside a war, it isn't terrorism; if it happens without a war, it is terrorism. So, by their definition, flattening out civilian city centers isn't terrorism as long as a war was declared. In the case of Lebanon, it is Israeli terrorism, but not in the case of Gaza.

Having the upper hand in global media allows the West to twist any narrative. Case in point: OBL declared war on US first before attacking; in which case, technically, it is not terrorism. But US used media to manipulate the narrative into temporarily abandoning it's definition of the word, and called it terrorism.

obj 705A said:

the only devices that exploded so far were the walki talkies and the pagers bought by Hezbolah. if you have any different information then feel free to share the source with us.

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What is the actual source of this information? That only Hezbollah devices exploded. Because Israel could've targeted civilians while US media spins it as "only Hezbollah targeted".

obj 705A said:

the only devices that exploded are those imported by Hezbolah because they have been booby traped with explosives. if you are just a regular civilian and you don't use Hezbolah comunications and you are still paranoid then Israel is under no obligation to make you feel safe especially not when Israel is trying to defeat your country.

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And You have evidence of all them being Hezbollah or you are taking the Israeli government's word at face value along with the media that runs cover for them?

The same government that deemed it acceptable to bomb refugee camps to get an alleged hamas operative or that has no qualms getting its own citizens killed if it means murdering as many palestinians as possible?.

And there is evidence of several devices exploding, including fingerprint readers.

I find it funny you believe their narrative when it comes to what they are doing, despite the months of evidence they don't care about mass murder of civilians for little tactical gains, if any gains at all.


Then there is the while Pandora box this just opened with regards to state actors compromising supply chains to kill people they don't like

_killuminati_ said:

is the actual source of this information? That only Hezbollah devices exploded. Because Israel could've targeted civilians while US media spins it as "only Hezbollah targeted".

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It's only western media claims sourced by the IDF

There are unconfirmed reports that an Ukrainian Ambassador has also been injured by the Israeli Pager attack

Though most of the sources are predominantly from X, so it is unconfirmed or fake at best

"Hezbollah Pager" retroactive affiliation is from the same playbook as the "military aged male combatant killed in drone strike" getting killed is what turns you into a terrorist, having a pager turns you into a "Hezbollah Militant", if you're a doctor who got injured with his pager, now you're a Hezbollah member, the hospital is a "Hezbollah Hospital".

obj 705A said:

out of a total casualty of 2800 only two children & 4 medics were killed. this is quite acceptable as far as civilian deaths in military operations goes. the two children were playing with their dads pager who apparently was a Hezbolah militant.

"According to the Minister of Health, the bombings have so far killed 12 people, including an 11-year-old boy and an 8-year-old girl, in addition to 4 medical personnel, while the number of wounded ranges between 2,750 and 2,800."

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In the words of Madeline Albright "We think the price is worth it". The Price being 500,00 children.

Yeah, the current toll doesn't even register on that yardstick /s

the only devices that exploded are those imported by Hezbolah because they have been booby traped with explosives. if you are just a regular civilian and you don't use Hezbolah comunications and you are still paranoid then Israel is under no obligation to make you feel safe especially not when Israel is trying to defeat your country.

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Problem though is we don't have the final count of who-is-who amongst the victims.
We do have a very strong narrative that only Hezbollah operatives were targeted ... Problem is, how can anyone (other than Hezbollah) be so sure?

Case in point (another conflict, another time) - in the aftermath of the Kabul Airport Gate Suicide Bombing in 2021, the USCENTCOM, announced within 3 days, that they had exacted swift retribution on the ringleaders of the ISIS-K responsible for the bombing. Stupendous feat of intel and action ... except it wasn't. It wasn't until independent research fought through layers of propaganda and revealed that the killed was a AID worker and his family incl. children.

I think people in the western media bubble have become too accepting of this glossing over because it helps them deal with whatever conscience they may have left. Years of being told that every single one of the thousands of targeted executions by drone strikes in remote areas of the ME with zero intel (state security) and BDA were highly accurate, surgical strikes on the terrorist who threaten the American way of life.

In this context, The "who else but Hezbollah uses pagers" (see my previous post) logic is now being applied to walkie-talkies (used by event planners, restaurants, work crews, etc). This line of reasoning is really tenuous and a bit hard to swallow. The second attack really has a look of a rather indiscriminate attack (to sow doubt over their comms network) than to target combatants.

Pity my favourite westoid who likes to quote law and hide behind de jure vs de facto courses of actions isn't here to defend this ...