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Taiwan is ruled by agents of the US. Taiwan is basically an American owned and operated seperatist province. Hezbollah buying comunications devices from Taiwan is like if Hezbollah signed a contract with Netanyahu to supply bottled water to Hezbollah fighters. if Hezbollah was dumb enough to buy electronic equipment from an agent of the US that is Taiwan then they deserve the massive humiliation that resulted. I just feel bad for the people who got injured. especially since some of them apparently lost their eyes & limbs.
 
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Taiwan is ruled by agents of the US. Taiwan is basically an American owned and operated seperatist province. Hezbollah buying comunications devices from Taiwan is like if Hezbollah signed a contract with Netanyahu to supply bottled water to Hezbollah fighters. if Hezbollah was dumb enough to buy electronic equipment from an agent of the US that is Taiwan then they deserve the massive humiliation that resulted. I just feel bad for the people who got injured. especially since some of them apparently lost their eyes & limbs.
Seeing the location where people usually put pagers, its almost a mass castration event.
 

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epic and embarassing fail from Hezbolah.

New York Times: Israel booby-trapped communications devices ordered by Hezbollah from Taiwanese company

The newspaper quoted informed officials as saying that Israel had hidden explosives inside a batch of Taiwanese pagers that had been imported into Lebanon. The officials said that Hezbollah had ordered more than 3,000 pagers from the Taiwanese company Gold Apollo, adding that a small explosive was planted next to the battery of each pager.

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you know I thought what happened to the Iranian president or Ismail in Iran was embarassing. but what happened here brings a whole new meaning to the word embarassing. and what's embarassing about it isn't just the explosions. but it's also the fact that Hezbolah thought it was a good idea to buy such devices from a US lackey.
 

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i do wonder what kind of damage hezbollah sustained due to this? some reports say that the militant wing did not use these pagers as much, which kind of makes sense since pagers are of limited use in combat. but hezbollah is a vast organization, so its political wing and social service providers could have taken a huge hit...
 

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i do wonder what kind of damage hezbollah sustained due to this? some reports say that the militant wing did not use these pagers as much, which kind of makes sense since pagers are of limited use in combat. but hezbollah is a vast organization, so its political wing and social service providers could have taken a huge hit...

The people you issue pagers to are ones you need to get hold of urgently. Mainly because even in areas of poor or zero cell reception, you can still trigger their pagers. I've been in underground armouries that have zero bar cell reception and still have my pager go off.

Pagers don't transmit a lot of info but are a great way of making sure the people that need to be notified are notified.

What would these people be? Usually critical response civil and military resources.
Civil - Doctors, nurses, rescuers
Military - QRF/RDF, elite units, commanders/key-role personnel

In the military, like how you have Alert 5 birds ready to scramble, SG Army has units on 4 hours NTM (notice to move). All personnel in those units are issued pagers - which means it's not necessary that pager carriers are commanders or high value personnel, just simply part of a unit that is required to be a QRF. It's quite a sight when you are in a public space and you hear pagers going off and a whole bunch of military age men abandon their meal/activity and hurry off (to rtb)

Would certain politicians and social service providers be required to carry a pager? I suppose so if they were part of a crisis response team. Propaganda through Social media is contingent on getting your version of the news out there asap.

In this case, the flooding of media channels that only Hezbollah fighters are affected is superficially true. After all, who carries pagers these days?

I'm waiting though for an actual verified count of casualties to see how many civil service providers are "collateral" damage in this attack - Lebanon may still be an area with patchy cell service, civil sector personnel may still legitimately carry pagers. Even run of the mill civilians may carry pagers - in my pre-cellphone youth, i was given a pager by parents - so yes, children may be legitimate pager carriers.
 
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At least one child killed. While the western media talk about a targeted attack, it's likely that a large proportion of victims are civilians. We'll know soon enough

The numbers I've seen, 9 dead and 200 severely wounded, are not going to impact Hezbollah in the long term, even if all of the injured were members of the group, which they obviously aren't. So they may be weakened for a short time, but they can clearly return to their previous, phone based communication systems that they used until February.

The thing to remember about armed groups like this is that their recruitment goes up in response to attacks like these. This looks like an Israeli attack on the people of Lebanon. A bomb falling on fighters in the mountains can be ignored. Thousands of explosions across the country will just make more civilians angry, leading to them being converted into more fighters
 

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Thousands of people have reportedly been injured by exploding pagers across Lebanon and Syria. Lebanon’s health minister, Firass Abiad, said nine people, including a child, have been killed, and around 2,800 others have been injured, as reported by Lebanese state media agency NNA.

Later Tuesday evening, the New York Times reported:

Israel carried out its operation against Hezbollah on Tuesday by hiding explosive material within a new batch of Taiwanese-made pagers imported into Lebanon, according to American and other officials briefed on the operation.

Reuters reports, based on information from a “senior Lebanese security source and another source,” that this spring, Hezbollah imported 5,000 pagers that were supposedly from Gold Apollo, a Taiwanese-based manufacturer. The source claims they were modified before shipment by Israel’s Mossad spy agency, adding a board with up to three grams of explosive material.
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However, in Taiwan on Wednesday, Gold Apollo CEO Hsu Ching-Kuang told reporters that his company did not make the pagers that exploded and that they were built by a company in Europe that had licensed its brand. “The product was not ours. It was only that it had our brand on it,” said Hsu, as reported by Reuters. According to CNN, the distributor started by importing Hsu’s company’s products about three years ago and later asked to manufacture its own devices using the Gold Apollo brand.

CNN also reports that “Israel was behind the attack, which was a joint operation between Israel’s intelligence service, the Mossad, and the Israeli military.”

The papers were apparently intended as a low-tech communication device to avoid location-tracking or spyware. In a speech earlier this year, Hezbollah secretary general Hassan Nasrallah reportedly told members, “This cell phone is the collaborator and the killer.”

Reuters sources said 3,000 of the pagers exploded after 3:30PM local time once they received a coded message. According to the New York Times, the message “appeared as though it was coming from Hezbollah’s leadership.”

The explosions occurred as Hezbollah has been engaged in warfare with Israel for months, coinciding with the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza and a day after Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said time was “running out” for a diplomatic solution with the group. CNN reports the Israel Defense Forces has said it won’t comment on the detonations.

Videos of the explosions and their aftermath have already spread widely across news networks and social media (warning: the video below shows people being injured by the attacks). One appears to show a man looking down at his pager while checking out at a store before it explodes, and he’s pushed backward. Another surveillance video from a market posted by The New York Times shows a man injured after a device exploded in his bag.

Update, September 17th: Added additional details from media reports about the origins of the explosive devices.

They would not begin this project unless they has someone on the inside doing procurement for Hezbollah, meaning the mole is about 3 years old.
 
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