Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

defenceman

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You wouldn't carry explosives inside an An-124 or a Il-76. Those would typically be transported by boat.
Hi,
thanks for your reply, but in case of Iran isn’t it not possible to transport via sea
as US navy can stop and search Iranian or any other cargo coming out of Iran
port towards Russia as we have seen this in the case of shipping arms by Iran to
Syria
thank you
 

_killuminati_

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Hi,
thanks for your reply, but in case of Iran isn’t it not possible to transport via sea
as US navy can stop and search Iranian or any other cargo coming out of Iran
port towards Russia as we have seen this in the case of shipping arms by Iran to
Syria
thank you
US doesn't possess the ability to stop and check every single ship outgoing/incoming from and to Iran. Just one of the ports at Bandar Abbas, for example, handles 6,000,000 TEU of cargo annually. How will you check just that alone?

Weapons can be moved through other nations as well. How else would the totally-blockaded Palestinian resistance groups get Chinese weapons?
 

TK3600

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You are oversimplifying things way too much. Of course Iran doesn't want conflict with Israel. It is beyond obvious Israel wants Iran to enter the conflict to justify bombing it just like they did with Iraq and Syria and any other faction that resisted their settler colonialist existence, so why should Iran take the bait? Instead, Iran can hang back and enjoy its position as the entity that obeys international norms and rules, while Israel tarnishes it's own reputation by continuing to commit the atrocities that they are engaged in. These things do matter.

We don't know if Israel has nukes, just like we don't know if Iran has nukes, and flashing nukes in everyone's face has limits. It is still not an absolute weapon and still survivable for everyone in the region, except for Israel. They only have 7 million, of which only around 5 million are Jewish. The Druze in the Golan heights despise them, and the Palestinian Israeli's loyalty could never be guaranteed. They do not have enough people to resist a conventional invasion, and if anyone was to invade Israel and make is seem like they are weak, then the Druze and other neighbours may very well enter the conflict against them. The Egyptians did not warn the Israelis because they love Israel. They warned them to prevent this drama, which the Israelis obviously wanted in order to start another expansion. If Israel starts receiving hits inside its cities, the educated and rich will pack their stuff and go back to whatever they came from. They don't even have to be severe hits, just enough to cause a sense of uncertainty, defeating the notion that Israel is a safe haven for Jews.

The Israeli economy isn't just being inconvenienced. It is collapsing. I'm seeing on the news that over 40,000 businesses have closed down, ports shutting down, GDP falling more than 20%, investors pulling out, tourism collapsing, airports flooded with people migrating. This is a bit beyond invonvenience. The only reason Israel's neighbours tolerate them, is because they are all dependent on the US for tech and defence and many are already occupied by the US. With China and Russia strengthening ties through innovations such as silicon, nuclear energy, BRICS, and the SCO and the INSTC, this will change things. China and Russia can take over in all these aspects, rendering the US support irrelevant. The new generation of people see Israel for what it is now and BDS is on the rise. Younger people are becoming more vigilant in checking the origins of the product they purchase in order to boycott Israel. They are more active in documenting and sharing Israeli atrocities on social media. With all these taken into account, Israel is becoming a major financial and political burden for the US tax payer and will continue to do so in the long term. Israel doesn't even have to be invaded in order to be defeated. If Israel was to implement a two state solution and make peace with the region, it would allow the region to grow in peace away from Israel and lose all US support since it is no longer under military threat, rendering Israel a poor state with a tiny piece of land in a place where no one likes it, which it cannot allow.

It is very likely the US doesn't want to do proper diplomacy in the region and stop this bloodshed, because they want to escalate and set the entire region on fire to stalemate China and Russia's progress. It used to be whenever Israel gets attacked by anyone, Iraq gets blamed for it. Now that Iraq is gone and Iran has beaten the US sanctions, they are the ones that gets blamed for all attacks against Israel. How convenient is that! What better way is there to bomb everyone than to use Israel to flatten Syria, Lebanon, Iran, and Yemen?
Yeah Israel lost some money, big deal. They used to be poor, they can rebuild. Many may flee from fear, but they will come back. If much bigger wars of the past did not deter them, I see no reason Jewish people will stop going now.

End of the day Israel does not need to be a world power, it just need to be the biggest in town. If everyone else is in shambles, then no one is. Chances are Israel will take less damage than neighbours and recover faster.

That is not to say Israel is unbeatable. I think Israel if playing its card right, can come out on top, in theory. So far they have not make a mistake so big that threaten its existence yet. Doesn't mean they won't in the future, but they are safe in current trajectory.
 

phrozenflame

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Not really, I wouldn't bet on that. Specially if Israel's existence becomes even more of liability to the point where no amount of AIPAC money can save them.

It could easily happen in the next 10 years at rate they are burning through global support.
Global support is an irrelevant variable. The entire thinking process is controlled, from social media to mainstream media, now there is crackdown in Academia, all loose ends are being tightened. Only TikTok is the loose variable and it is on the kill-list.

The only real way is to be better organised, generate more income and create and or influence the existing variables and levels of information and power, against which there will also be resistance, so more savvy, novel approaches, and advancing in those societies ahead of others to be able to influence such variables over a generation will matter.

So basically the lobby is just far better organised, using science and money to control, while opposition has a huge chunk of idiots and people day dreaming and coping praying for short cuts. It also has smart people but they get sabotaged by idiots. Even Palestinians aren't seeming full destruction of Israel. It's just Israeli propaganda to play victim. Catering to it undermines the narrative of the actual victims: Palestinians.
 
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sheogorath

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No country is seeking the destruction of Israel other than Iran. So, the worst that can happen to Israel is a two state solution. Thus, Israel can’t be hurt in ways described by some here.
Israel can go the way of Rhodesia. There is no two state solution possible with a society of sociopaths. Either it gets wiped out or they'd rather go back to Europe and the US before contemplating having to accept an actual palestinian state, let alone give the stolen land back.


Global support is an irrelevant variable. The entire thinking process is controlled, from social media to mainstream media, now there is crackdown in Academia, all loose ends are being tightened. Only TikTok is the loose variable and it is on the kill-list.

The only real way is to be better organised, generate more income and create and or influence the existing variables and levels of information and power, against which there will also be resistance, so more savvy, novel approaches, and advancing in those societies ahead of others to be able to influence such variables over a generation will matter.

So basically the lobby is just far better organised, using science and money to control, while opposition has a huge chunk of idiots and people day dreaming and coping.

All that "control" will only result in a bubble, nothing else. A bubble just as dependant on the political and economical stability of the west as Israel itself is.

Should shit hit the fan in these countries, for any number of factors, there is no bubble that going to sabe them. Specially when Israel's actions as a country and as a society hasnt endeared them to the rest of the world, to say the least.

You are overstimating the wests current situation
 
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Index

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lmao Israel is literally toying with Iran now.

massive cyber attack paralyzes Iran's financial system and then some little bit of trolling on their ATMs


Israel is unrestrained
Can you explain what exactly it is that we see here? A mossad agent taped that paper on the ATM?

Well, I suppose that can be considered the oldest cyberattack in the world, obscuring the enemy's mk1 eyeball.
A precision kill is honestly a bigger flex. It is saying "I can kill anyone, anywhere in your country. If you value your life, you know what to do. If you go along with me, you will not be collateral damage."
They got rid of a dove whose house is right next to Al udeid airbase and was trying to end the war, in favor of the guy who planned the October offensive. Israel is not careful nor necessarily capable of planning operations without collateral damage. What I think is that an opportunity for "collaboration" was presented by Hamas or Iran itself, who would see Haniyeh replaced with Sinwar for their own reasons. And Israel took it, having seethed since the Iranian strikes without anything to show for it.
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Last couple of days Russia has been sending lots of military equipment to Iran. Russia’s largest cargo plane the AN-124 has landed in Tehran. I’m surprised the West isn’t raising alarm about this. Many are concluding this could be Russia’s way of preventing further escalation after Iran strikes Israel. Meaning make Iran’s already deadly and redundant air defense even more deadlier with advanced air defense system and EW equipment. Basically
making it even more difficult to strike Iran.
It is in Iran's interest to digest as much foreign aid as possible into its forces, I think that is the biggest factor speaking towards a wider escalation in the middle east being inevitable. Last time Iran striked Israel, Iran was relatively alone or didn't recieve direct aid.
 
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