Consider the pro-Palestinian protests on US campuses and the wider demographic changes in the US. Certainly I expect US support for Israel to be a lot more tepid when Gen Z comes to positions of power.
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)
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No country is seeking the destruction of Israel other than Iran. So, the worst that can happen to Israel is a two state solution. Thus, Israel can’t be hurt in ways described by some here.
tbh they mostly say it as slogans. In practice israel is just another geopolitical rival, nothing special. But screaming "destroying Israel" sounds cooler to general population than "destroy Saudi Arabia" and etc.
To gain greater legitimacy among Sunnis and Arabs. And Israel is a key ally of the United States and the latter has placed heavy sanctions on Iran since the Revolution. Kicking US and Israel out of the Middle East leaves Iran as the main power.
But, would Iran actually benefit more by recognizing Israel and normalizing relations with the U.S? Would Israel, specifically Netanyahu, allow that to happen?
It's very simply really. Iran's philosophy is inspired by the general philosophy of the Islamic world that arose near the terminal phase of European colonialism: resistance to oppression and anti-colonialism. Just that Iran is the only one that actually managed to implement it at the state level.
Everybody inside and outside the region see Israel as the European intruder, colonist. Some states in the region are just not interested enough in resisting the imperialism which gives rise to locals forming anti-state and anti-Israel "radical", "extremist" groups who decide to take matters into their own hands due to the government's ineptitude. Religion also plays a major role here as active resistance to oppression is a major tenet of Islam at it's core.
If Iran, today, decided to mend ways with Israel, then it would become one of many Islamic countries ripe with anti-state insurgent groups that weaken the state itself (i.e. Pakistan).
It's a piece of paper taped to the screen.
Maybe the Russians hand delivered a letter asking Iran to escalate, as that would mean NATO losing focus on Ukraine (which is already happening).
I suggest you take a good read on the 'Jewish Question' which took Europe many centuries to solve. That would help explain who is losing what and the actual ramifications of a destructed Israel.
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There is a tear on the top where the tape is and the right edge shows the piece of paper curling up. It isn’t flush lol.
I have read that paper already. My point is Israel is not at risk of destruction, only inconvenience.
1. They are nuclear armed. They could use it directly, or make great powers anxious enough to stop the conflict before taboo is broken.
2. They are strong enough to resist conventional invasion.
3. If somehow failing above, US will certainly directly enter the war if Israel is under existential threat.
4. Nobody is going out of their way to destroy Israel in practice.
Hamas is fighting only because they are under existential threat by Israel. Hezbollah had no interest at first until ground invasion of Gaza, so they had to fight because if Hamas is gone, they are next. Saudia Arabia supports Israel in practice. Egypt is supportive of Israel, even warned them of the attack. Iran scream a lot but is actually very reluctant to fight. Iran only make some symbolic gestures after being humiliated so hard they had to at least put an act. That should tell you enough. So no, nobody is eager to fight Israel. Israel may fail the invasion, but was never at risk of destruction.
wait so your source for this news is a random twitter account that claims to show a hacked ATM but in reality it's just a piece of paper taped to the screen.
You are oversimplifying things way too much. Of course Iran doesn't want conflict with Israel. It is beyond obvious Israel wants Iran to enter the conflict to justify bombing it just like they did with Iraq and Syria and any other faction that resisted their settler colonialist existence, so why should Iran take the bait? Instead, Iran can hang back and enjoy its position as the entity that obeys international norms and rules, while Israel tarnishes it's own reputation by continuing to commit the atrocities that they are engaged in. These things do matter.
We don't know if Israel has nukes, just like we don't know if Iran has nukes, and flashing nukes in everyone's face has limits. It is still not an absolute weapon and still survivable for everyone in the region, except for Israel. They only have 7 million, of which only around 5 million are Jewish. The Druze in the Golan heights despise them, and the Palestinian Israeli's loyalty could never be guaranteed. They do not have enough people to resist a conventional invasion, and if anyone was to invade Israel and make is seem like they are weak, then the Druze and other neighbours may very well enter the conflict against them. The Egyptians did not warn the Israelis because they love Israel. They warned them to prevent this drama, which the Israelis obviously wanted in order to start another expansion. If Israel starts receiving hits inside its cities, the educated and rich will pack their stuff and go back to whatever they came from. They don't even have to be severe hits, just enough to cause a sense of uncertainty, defeating the notion that Israel is a safe haven for Jews.
The Israeli economy isn't just being inconvenienced. It is collapsing. I'm seeing on the news that over 40,000 businesses have closed down, ports shutting down, GDP falling more than 20%, investors pulling out, tourism collapsing, airports flooded with people migrating. This is a bit beyond invonvenience. The only reason Israel's neighbours tolerate them, is because they are all dependent on the US for tech and defence and many are already occupied by the US. With China and Russia strengthening ties through innovations such as silicon, nuclear energy, BRICS, and the SCO and the INSTC, this will change things. China and Russia can take over in all these aspects, rendering the US support irrelevant. The new generation of people see Israel for what it is now and BDS is on the rise. Younger people are becoming more vigilant in checking the origins of the product they purchase in order to boycott Israel. They are more active in documenting and sharing Israeli atrocities on social media. With all these taken into account, Israel is becoming a major financial and political burden for the US tax payer and will continue to do so in the long term. Israel doesn't even have to be invaded in order to be defeated. If Israel was to implement a two state solution and make peace with the region, it would allow the region to grow in peace away from Israel and lose all US support since it is no longer under military threat, rendering Israel a poor state with a tiny piece of land in a place where no one likes it, which it cannot allow.
It is very likely the US doesn't want to do proper diplomacy in the region and stop this bloodshed, because they want to escalate and set the entire region on fire to stalemate China and Russia's progress. It used to be whenever Israel gets attacked by anyone, Iraq gets blamed for it. Now that Iraq is gone and Iran has beaten the US sanctions, they are the ones that gets blamed for all attacks against Israel. How convenient is that! What better way is there to bomb everyone than to use Israel to flatten Syria, Lebanon, Iran, and Yemen?
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