Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

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Proton said:
Money should never be a problem for Israel, it will always have millions of wealthy and appropriately bloodthirsty backers abroad.

If there is ever a logistical breakdown, or major attacks on energy infrastructure, things can get dicey though.
Don't see the (presumed) coming Iranian attack doing any major damage here, it will likely focus purely military targets.

A full scale war against Hezbollah could perhaps get serious consequences? If they have potent enough drones and missiles to enforce a blockade on Israel in the Mediterranean - being constrained to land corridors would cripple Israel significantly.
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It just take one or two more rungs in the escalation ladder to get to that. Iran and Hezbollah just need an excuse and Israel will be happy to provide them consider how trigger happy IDF is against innocent civilians.

For example Israel always been tempting to terror bomb Beirut to force Lebanons to turn against Hezbollah, they've done it before when Hezbollah did not have the means to fight back. If Israel do it again, pictures of massive civilian deaths show up, all Israeli civilian infrastructures are fair game then
 
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Overbom said:
you guys talk about Israel economy collapsing and it's like you forgot Uncle Sam. daddy US will simply print a few hundreds of billions of dollars to rescue Israel.
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While this is true this is not what Israelis want. They developed their economy in a way to not be dependent on solely foreign aid. The fear from Zionist is if they are dependent on foreign aid that it means they’ll be at the mercy of future governments. Also the minute their economy has declined to the point they depend on foreign aid the professional class will leave. And the brain drain we see from Israel will accelerate. Israel will then only be populated by the radical messianic cult from the ultra right.
 
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It is true, however Palestine has no real importance to the world economy and technology and has been struggling for decades. While Israel is/was world class technology powerhouse and world leading in many areas (e.g water conservation, agriculture, etc). After this war, not many countries would want to cooperate with Israel for a very long time. I doubt China would do that for long time ... forget about Russia and Arab and other Islamic countries (e.g Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc)
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Most countries still working with Israel. China is not going to give up its B&R investments and tech cooperations for the Palestinians.

Egypt, Jordan, Saudi’s protesting but have not cut back any trade or ties with Israel.

Pakistan, Bangladesh etc… those countries don’t matter. Pakistan just asked China for another round of loan restructuring.

Israel will recover in a few years. It will take the Palestinians 15-20 years to recover from this - only to be bombed again.
 
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Petrolicious88 said:
Most countries still working with Israel. China is not going to give up its B&R investments and tech cooperations for the Palestinians.

Egypt, Jordan, Saudi’s protesting but have not cut back any trade or ties with Israel.

Pakistan, Bangladesh etc… those countries don’t matter. Pakistan just asked China for another round of loan restructuring.

Israel will recover in a few years. It will take the Palestinians 15-20 years to recover from this - only to be bombed again.
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In the next 15 years there will be NO Israeli state as most of those Brooklyn Jews will be returning to New York and stay there for good.
 
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Petrolicious88 said:
Most countries still working with Israel. China is not going to give up its B&R investments and tech cooperations for the Palestinians.

Egypt, Jordan, Saudi’s protesting but have not cut back any trade or ties with Israel.

Pakistan, Bangladesh etc… those countries don’t matter. Pakistan just asked China for another round of loan restructuring.

Israel will recover in a few years. It will take the Palestinians 15-20 years to recover from this - only to be bombed again.
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Who will invest in an Israel that is at the mercy of regional forces at any moment? Who will invest in an Israel that every year is becoming more unhinged and radical purposely looking for fights with its neighbors? Secondly Israel is dealing with a largely restive population in the West Bank. When that blows up it will further stretch Israel’s already exhausted military and economy. Israel is increasingly becoming more unstable and unsafe. Israel has not maintained deterrence. That’s the central theme of Zionism, a safe nation for Jews all around the world to settle in. If the country is not safe Jews will not move there and many will flee from the nation. That include capital which will create a vicious cycle of economic decline. This is why Israel is in this predicament. They lost deterrence on October 7th. If they want it back it has to be by regional war. And this what many are openly saying in Israel. A ceasefire will be deemed a defeat. If Hamas the weakest meme war of the Acis of resistance is able to do what they did on October 7th, what could Hezbollah and Iran do in the Sheba Farms/Golan Heights?
 
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Petrolicious88 said:
All that may be true regarding damage to Israeli economy.

But it also says there is almost total destruction of Palestinian infrastructure. Ground water have been deliberately polluted/flooded with sea water. Polio is also on the rise in Gaza - who knows if its deliberately released - IDF started to distribute vaccine to its own troops.

Just in terms of infrastructure it may take 15+ years to rebuild. How long would it take Israeli economy to recovery after a ceasefire.... 1 year, 2 years, maybe 3-5 years vs. 15-20 years for Palestine.
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ok trading Palestine for Israel. Do Israelis agree to that deal?
 
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Who will invest in an Israel that is at the mercy of regional forces at any moment? Who will invest in an Israel that every year is becoming more unhinged and radical purposely looking for fights with its neighbors? Secondly Israel is dealing with a largely restive population in the West Bank. When that blows up it will further stretch Israel’s already exhausted military and economy. Israel is increasingly becoming more unstable and unsafe. Israel has not maintained deterrence. That’s the central theme of Zionism, a safe nation for Jews all around the world to settle in. If the country is not safe Jews will not move there and many will flee from the nation. That include capital which will create a vicious cycle of economic decline. This is why Israel is in this predicament. They lost deterrence on October 7th. If they want it back it has to be by regional war. And this what many are openly saying in Israel. A ceasefire will be deemed a defeat. If Hamas the weakest meme war of the Acis of resistance is able to do what they did on October 7th, what could Hezbollah and Iran do in the Sheba Farms/Golan Heights?
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I’m not sure if defeating Hamas is the real goal for Israel. Didnt Netanyahu funnel hundreds of millions of dollars to Hamas as a way to weaken the Palestinian authority.

It was his pet project. Keep elements of Hamas alive and have a war every decade. This cycle is nothing new - Israel is still here. Israel recovered and grew. Recovered and grew.

What you actually described is actually the exact predicament of Gaza for the last 70 years.
International partners aren’t willing to invest billions because 1). It’s blockaded by Israel. 2). Infrastructure built will eventually be destroyed by Israel in the next conflict.
 
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Israel's goal is ethnic cleansing. simple as that. ceasefire and all that are just a smokescreen

Israel will bomb their electricity, water, medical care, sanitary and other critical civilian infrastructure to make life in Gaza a living hell and force everyone to leave. Bonus points if an epidemic happens
 
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Petrolicious88

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Overbom said:
Israel's goal is ethnic cleansing. simple as that. ceasefire and all that are just a smokescreen

Israel will bomb their electricity, water, medical care, sanitary and other critical civilian infrastructure to make life in Gaza a living hell and force everyone to leave. Bonus points if an epidemic happens
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Exactly. Keep the cycle going. Keep Hamas or create another anti-Israel group. They useful pets.

Who will invest in an Israel that is at the mercy of regional forces at any moment? Who will invest in an Israel that every year is becoming more unhinged and radical purposely looking for fights with its neighbors? Secondly Israel is dealing with a largely restive population in the West Bank. When that blows up it will further stretch Israel’s already exhausted military and economy. Israel is increasingly becoming more unstable and unsafe. Israel has not maintained deterrence. That’s the central theme of Zionism, a safe nation for Jews all around the world to settle in. If the country is not safe Jews will not move there and many will flee from the nation. That include capital which will create a vicious cycle of economic decline. This is why Israel is in this predicament. They lost deterrence on October 7th. If they want it back it has to be by regional war. And this what many are openly saying in Israel. A ceasefire will be deemed a defeat. If Hamas the weakest meme war of the Acis of resistance is able to do what they did on October 7th, what could Hezbollah and Iran do in the Sheba Farms/Golan Heights?
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Failed deterrence against Hamas? For all we know Netanyahu could have deliberately allowed Oct.7th to happen so can have his war.

Need more proof?? Well someone placed massive bets on the Israeli and New York stock exchange right before Oct. 7th. Who can place whale size trades like that on NYST? CIA, Israel or Hamas, lolll. They knew about the attack and let it happen.

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White House: Iran could make 'significant' attack on Israel this week​

"We have to be prepared for what could be a significant set of attacks," National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told reporters.

"We share the same concerns and expectations that our Israeli counterparts have with respect to potential timing here -- could be this week," added Kirby.

Kirby's comments came as the United States is rushing an aircraft carrier strike group and a guided missile submarine to the region in a show of support for Israel.

Iran and Lebanon's Hezbollah group have vowed to avenge last month's killings of Hamas political chief Ismail Haniyeh and Hezbollah commander Fuad Shukr.

Biden called the leaders of France, Germany, Italy and Britain on Monday to discuss the growing tensions, the White House added.

The call was "largely for all the leaders to repeat what they have said before in terms of reaffirming Israel's defense" and to "send a strong message that we don't want to see any rise in violence, any attacks by Iran or its proxies."

The leaders also called for a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas in Gaza, with difficult talks set for Thursday on halting the conflict that started when the Palestinian group attacked Israel on October 7.

The call came shortly after Biden returned to the Oval Office after a long weekend at his beach house in Delaware.
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US - Europeans issued an joint statement today telling Iran to stand down.
 
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