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Sinnavuuty said:
The US does not need to use everything it has to penalize Iran.

Let's assume that Iran has a total of 3,000 individual military targets for the US to bomb.
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3000 is an underestimation by a factor of at least 10 or more...

That's as much aimpoints as maybe 2-3 days in the Ukraine war. And Iran if you count all the random pro-Iran fighters around in the middle east may very well equal AFU in numbers, despite Iran itself not being generally mobilized.
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500-800 total fighters
300-500 USAF fighters
150-300 USN/USMC fighters
50 USAF bombers

Within the total fighters deployed, the following are available:
120 F-22A
410 F-35A
160 F-35B
80 F35C
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I will stop you there because all of those high end fighters US need in Asia to credibly threaten China. If you deploy 300 F-35 to Middle East, China outnumbers US in 5th gens locally. What do you think happens to US' chance to yoink territory from China then?
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600 aircraft flying 300 sorties per day could total a 14-day strategic air bombing campaign, thus generating 150 sorties per day for this purpose with the rest of the sorties for refueling, in total, in a 14-day campaign, 2,000 sorties launching +4,000 JASSM against Iran. This does not even include the sorties of bombers (B-1B, B-2A and B-52H) which average around 20 JASSM. About 50% of all sorties would be by REVO aircraft, as evidenced in 2003, when 268 REVO aircraft flew 9,064 sorties, totaling 44% of the 20,733 of all sorties of the air campaign.

The inventory:
5,500 JASSM/ER
5,000 Tomahawk
500-700 SLAM-ER
37,800 SDB
6,300 Stormbreakers
5,900 JSOWs
650,000 guided bombs

Potential bases used -
Jordan:
Muwaffaq Salti Air Base/Azraq (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18)(RQ -4/MQ-9) - 1,400 km from Tehran

Saudi Arabia -
King Fahad Air Base/Taif (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18) - 1,900 km from Tehran
King Khalid Air Base/Khamis Mushayt (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18)(RQ-4/MQ-9) - 2,100 km from Tehran
Prince Sultan Air Base/Al-Kharj (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18)(RQ-4/MQ-9) /5)(B-52/1/2) - 1,300 km from Tehran
King Faisal Air Base/Tabuk (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18) - 1,600 km from Tehran
Prince Abdullah Air Base/Jeddah (C-130/17/5)(JSTARS/E-3/RC-135/KC-135/10/46)(B-52/1/2) - 1,900 km from Tehran

Turkey -
Incirlik Air Base/Adana (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18)(JSTARS/E-3/RC-135/KC-135/10/46)(C-130/17/5) - 1,400 km from Tehran

Djibouti -
Camp Lemonnier (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18) - 2,800 km from Tehran

Diego Garcia -
Naval Support Facility (C-130/17/5)(JSTARS/E-3/RC-135/KC-135/10/46)(B-52/1/2) - 5,200 km from Tehran

Cyprus -
RAF Akrotiri (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18)(RQ-4/MQ-9)(JSTARS/E-3/RC-135/KC-135/10/46) - 1,600 km from Tehran

As we can see, this does not even represent 50% of the total strength of the US aerospace power.
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What is there for US to target in Tehran? It's not platforms in Tehran that will be launching attacks that destroy Israeli infrastructure. No, US' first task would be Hezbollah and Houthis. We've seen a little preview of what they can('t) do against fortified positions with airpower. They would need boots on the ground.

Without a doubt US can penalize Iran and it's Middle Eastern allies, it can also not stop Iran from penalizing Israel to a greater degree, nor stop itself from being tied into an attritional ground war against proverbially infinite hordes of islamist militants.

Iranian air defenses using real time data from Iran's "neutral" allies will keep American aircraft and stand off munitions ranges, giving Iranian ground targets long reaction times to run. American stealth aircraft that could otherwise mitigate this issue will only operate in symbolic numbers, because otherwise US can kiss Asia goodbye.

Sure, US can probably hit 1000-3000 aimpoints in a month of ops or so. That's also going to be far from a decisive contribution, although it's going to be better than what Israel can do.
 
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MortyandRick

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Petrolicious88 said:
Yea. Maybe. But why quote the Atlantic Council. Thought they’re Anglo propaganda.
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Because it shows that even if you 'never' heard of them, the much vaulted US military and government and policy groups have certainly heard of them. Even tried to get a group of allies to stop these attacks but failed.

Doesn't affect US but affects Israel, which is just as bad, if not worse.
 
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MortyandRick said:
Because it shows that even if you 'never' heard of them, the much vaulted US military and government and policy groups have certainly heard of them. Even tried to get a group of allies to stop these attacks but failed.

Doesn't affect US but affects Israel, which is just as bad, if not worse.
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So average Americans are not affected.

Famine in Yemen due to Saudi/American intervention.

Haven’t seen any major protests in Europe/US regarding rising prices caused by Houthis - if any.

Minor effect compared to what happened to Yemen.
 
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Petrolicious88 said:
So average Americans are not affected.

Famine in Yemen due to Saudi/American intervention.

Haven’t seen any major protests in Europe/US regarding rising prices caused by Houthis - if any.

Minor effect compared to what happened to Yemen.
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Yeah, always bragging about what happens to some foreign civilians across the globe, how they are starving, how you bombed the hell out of them, infrastructure destroyed, what hardships have you caused to them in general, etc, like a typical blood-thirsty Westoid brainless animal, whereas totally ignoring geopolitical and military defeat you've been handed. The truth is that despite everything, Houthis have 10 times more support amongst their people domestically in Yemen than 10-20% support rates for the US gov (they, the Yemenese don't have that weak beta male selfish Westoid mindset, so they can endure way, way more discomfort obviously). Therefore, they will continue to cause you direct military and geostrategic defeats until you collapse (and play a part in it), and outlive you by large, without you being able to do anything to stop them kinetically just as it has been until now.



 
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MortyandRick

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Petrolicious88 said:
So average Americans are not affected.

Famine in Yemen due to Saudi/American intervention.

Haven’t seen any major protests in Europe/US regarding rising prices caused by Houthis - if any.

Minor effect compared to what happened to Yemen.
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False attribution of cause and effect.
Their target is Israel, not US. But it damages US credibility in terms of trying to get a coalition to stop such attacks to no avail, as indicated by the Atlantic council report.
 
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Petrolicious88

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Serb said:
Yeah, always bragging about what happens to some foreign civilians across the globe, how they are starving, how you bombed the hell out of them, infrastructure destroyed, what hardships have you caused to them in general, etc, like a typical blood-thirsty Westoid brainless animal, whereas totally ignoring geopolitical and military defeat you've been handed. The truth is that despite everything, Houthis have 10 times more support amongst their people domestically than 10-20% support for the US gov (they don't have that weak beta male selfish Westoid mindset, so they can endure way, way more). So, they will continue to cause you military and geostrategic defeats until you collapse (and play a part in it), without you being able to do anything to stop them just as it has been until now.

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Ok, let's ignore the most recent US involvement in Yemen. What has the Yemen government done for their own people?

Rampant corruption - yes
Nepotism - yes
Military and corporate interests of the few at the expense of their citizens - yes
Failing economy due to bad governance - yes
Killing and war crimes against their own people - yes

They don't need US involvement. They'll destroy themselves with no help needed.
 
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MortyandRick said:
False attribution of cause and effect.
Their target is Israel, not US. But it damages US credibility in terms of trying to get a coalition to stop such attacks to no avail, as indicated by the Atlantic council report.
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The US has itself to blame for this. Had they not uselessly postured, like they are some world police and hot shit in this day and age, and acted so aggressively and brazenly there and attacked Houthis so confidently first, then they wouldn't have been defeated by Houthis in return, and we still wouldn't have known so clearly what paper tigers they really are. Now it seems, in terms of image and power projection, that they totally lost control over the crucial Suez Canal, defeated by Iran's junior partner, definitely not a good look. But, that happens when one country serves another (Israel).


Petrolicious88 said:
Ok, let's ignore the most recent US involvement in Yemen. What has the Yemen government done for their own people?

Rampant corruption - yes
Nepotism - yes
Military and corporate interests of the few at the expense of their citizens - yes
Failing economy due to bad governance - yes
Killing and war crimes against their own people - yes

They don't need US involvement. They'll destroy themselves with no help needed.
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Are you trolling? You totally ignored the point of my post. As you Westoids always try to wash up your military defeat from Houthis, in terms of how you starved their Yemense people in return, I said that their people don't give a damn about that and that as Houthis have objectively even more support in Yemen, than 10-20% support the US political establishment has in the US. So, it is immaterial to them. Look at the video above.
 
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