Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

Petrolicious88

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The US has itself to blame for this. Had they not uselessly postured, like they are some world police and hot shit in this day and age, and acted so aggressively and brazenly there and attacked Houthis so confidently first, then they wouldn't have been defeated by Houthis in return, and we still wouldn't have known so clearly what paper tigers they really are. Now it seems, in terms of image and power projection, that they totally lost control over the crucial Suez Canal, defeated by Iran's junior partner, definitely not a good look. But, that happens when one country serves another (Israel).





Are you trolling? You totally ignored the point of my post. As you Westoids always try to wash up your military defeat from Houthis, in terms of how you starved their Yemense people in return, I said that their people don't give a damn about that and that as Houthis have objectively even more support in Yemen, than 10-20% support the US political establishment has in the US. So, it is immaterial to them. Look at the video above.

What you are saying is irreverent. Ok they support their government. But at the same time they starving - in part due to bad governance they created themselves.

Whats more important? Food and water or trying to hurt America indirectly.
 

Nobo

Junior Member
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The US does not need to use everything it has to penalize Iran.

Let's assume that Iran has a total of 3,000 individual military targets for the US to bomb.

500-800 total fighters
300-500 USAF fighters
150-300 USN/USMC fighters
50 USAF bombers

Within the total fighters deployed, the following are available:
120 F-22A
410 F-35A
160 F-35B
80 F35C

600 aircraft flying 300 sorties per day could total a 14-day strategic air bombing campaign, thus generating 150 sorties per day for this purpose with the rest of the sorties for refueling, in total, in a 14-day campaign, 2,000 sorties launching +4,000 JASSM against Iran. This does not even include the sorties of bombers (B-1B, B-2A and B-52H) which average around 20 JASSM. About 50% of all sorties would be by REVO aircraft, as evidenced in 2003, when 268 REVO aircraft flew 9,064 sorties, totaling 44% of the 20,733 of all sorties of the air campaign.

The inventory:
5,500 JASSM/ER
5,000 Tomahawk
500-700 SLAM-ER
37,800 SDB
6,300 Stormbreakers
5,900 JSOWs
650,000 guided bombs

Potential bases used -
Jordan:
Muwaffaq Salti Air Base/Azraq (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18)(RQ -4/MQ-9) - 1,400 km from Tehran

Saudi Arabia -
King Fahad Air Base/Taif (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18) - 1,900 km from Tehran
King Khalid Air Base/Khamis Mushayt (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18)(RQ-4/MQ-9) - 2,100 km from Tehran
Prince Sultan Air Base/Al-Kharj (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18)(RQ-4/MQ-9) /5)(B-52/1/2) - 1,300 km from Tehran
King Faisal Air Base/Tabuk (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18) - 1,600 km from Tehran
Prince Abdullah Air Base/Jeddah (C-130/17/5)(JSTARS/E-3/RC-135/KC-135/10/46)(B-52/1/2) - 1,900 km from Tehran

Turkey -
Incirlik Air Base/Adana (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18)(JSTARS/E-3/RC-135/KC-135/10/46)(C-130/17/5) - 1,400 km from Tehran

Djibouti -
Camp Lemonnier (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18) - 2,800 km from Tehran

Diego Garcia -
Naval Support Facility (C-130/17/5)(JSTARS/E-3/RC-135/KC-135/10/46)(B-52/1/2) - 5,200 km from Tehran

Cyprus -
RAF Akrotiri (F-15/16/22/35A/B/C/18)(RQ-4/MQ-9)(JSTARS/E-3/RC-135/KC-135/10/46) - 1,600 km from Tehran

As we can see, this does not even represent 50% of the total strength of the US aerospace power.
And you are calculating suppupuwa's aerospace puwah at 50% of total streenkth(!!) .. against which represents a mega ...3% of total threat ?? Russia & China then will have a field day testing all the testbed snoozing toys they have been cooking up since dinosaur era.
Don't forget North korea , I think they would also like to test out some of their conventional...streenkth :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

Nobo

Junior Member
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US spends a trillion dollars (if counting black project money) on defense every year. A trillion dollars/year.

Iran’s total GDP is how much? And the Houthis.

The who??
Defence of what? The s-x toys & b-tt plug factories? Since when U.a$$ have been able to defend America? They always have been self defending.. sometimes at the desert, sometimes under sea, sometimes at mars, and other times defending the "allies".
It's a very peculiar "defence" force, that does everything except the one thing they were supposed to do :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

Tootensky

Junior Member
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Nobody takes into account the potential for losses. Iran is a big country, so launching missiles from outside AD is not going to cut it. What's going to happen when a stray missile shoots down an F-22 or F-35? That thing is going to be getting disassembled and sent to Russia or China before the bombs finish dropping.
 

Heresy

New Member
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I don't understand why so many of you guys are adamant in arguing with someone who's obviously operating in bad faith. Let him extoll the US in peace and quiet, and move on.
Because his propaganda still pollutes this board. And there is always a chance someone who reads his drivel actually believes him.
The fact that he's not been banned is just mind-boggling.

At the end of the day, it's clear that trolling and bad-faith debating is only an offense on this forum when you do it against a mod's particular pet topics.
 

TK3600

Major
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Iran should keep getting bombed
The quote that sticks out to me is “It's hard to know the timing of the Iranian strike this time. Last time, we knew it because Iran wanted us to know, but this time it's different.” Basically behind the scenes Iran is not telling when the strikes will occur. The game has changed and they are going to inflict pain on Israel.

Also Iran trying to avoid a regional war in the first place isn’t weakness. The strategy that the axis of resistance was doing until now was to strategically defeat Israel without a regional war. Basically waging a war of attrition. And the strategy is working. The IDF is bogged down in Gaza. The reason why Israel hasn’t gone to full scale war with Hezbollah is because of the Gaza quagmire. So Hezbollah can continue their strikes emptying the north of Israel. Last week the IDF admitted to the Israeli Supreme Court they are running out of tanks,spare parts and munitions because of Gaza. The Red Sea blockade was a major blow to the Israeli economy. The Port of Eliat declared bankruptcy and the economy is near collapse. So the plan is working. The issue is that the Axis of Resistance are rational actors. While Israel’s leadership aren’t rational. They are blood thirsty extremist backed by the west so it emboldened them to do the strikes they did this past week. Israel is not thinking rationally and truly believe the only way to get deterrence back is to for a full scale regional war.

People have to understand the stakes of what a regional war means. Means untold death and destruction for the region. A conflagration that will lead to the collapse of many regimes and not to mention the refugee flows. That means the collapse of the global economy. Iran shuts the straits of Hormuz means oil prices spiking to $150-250 which would collapse the already anemic economy. We are talking about poorer nations collapsing rapidly worldwide leading to more instability and chaos. We are talking about the collapse of the European economy as they stupidly stoped getting oil from Russia. If the worst case scenario happens and Persian Gulf monarchies oil and natural gas infrastructure are totally destroyed it will be decades to repair. And that assumes if those governments don’t collapse. Oil is the blood of the global economy. And if the oil and natural gas infrastructure in the Middle East are destroyed we are talking about the world’s biggest oil market gone for decades perhaps forever. You can’t imagine the chaos that will bring. I live in the US and that means no gas for trucks to bring food to grocery stores. That means worse crippling inflation at a time when the average American is struggling with inflation and high cost of living crisis. This is why no one wants a regional war except for Israel. This is why I kept saying we are staring in the abyss because of a genocidal maniac in Netanyahu. I blame the west for emboldening this colonial entity. A west Asian great regional war is not a movie and video game. It will affect us all.
blah blah blah, all these were what major powers of WWII thought before it happened. But the fact is if you let aggression slide more are coming. Unless you are OK with increasing attacks on you and enemy getting bigger advantage, you gotta strike back, as soon as you can, to defuse the situation.

This is some sick Qing mentality.
 

Petrolicious88

Senior Member
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I don't understand why so many of you guys are adamant in arguing with someone who's obviously operating in bad faith. Let him extoll the US in peace and quiet, and move on.

No. There are tons of stuff US has done that I don’t agree with. Never once have I praised Israel’s war against Palestine. Or agreed with recent treatment of Chinese athletes at the Olympics.

At the same time, people need to be realistic about U.S. collapsing in 5 years or Yemen’s capabilities.
 

CaribouTruth

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At the same time, people need to be realistic about U.S. collapsing in 5 years or Yemen’s capabilities.
This is why I say you're arguing in bad faith, nobody claims this.
What Yemen's capabilities are is readily apparent, what US's capabilities are is also very obvious - i.e. at their current deployment, not adequate to protect commercial shipping (insurer/shipping confidence) in the Red Sea.
 
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