Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

JJD1803

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This means Lebanon's own army is a boy scout camp compared to Hezbollah, Surprised they haven't tried a coup
Lebanon is a very sectarian nation. There would be serious resistance against that idea. It really wouldn’t make sense for them to seize power in Lebanon. Yeah they are the strongest militia in Lebanon but a move like that would backfire big time. For one it would lead to a second Lebanese civil war which no one has an appetite for. It would enrage the Sunni world and you’ll have the Gulf Arabs states with their deep pockets sending all types of support to resist Hezbollah. It will be like Syria all over again where hundreds of thousands of salafi foreign fighters swarmed to fight the Shia. And the. You would have Israel backing their historical allies the Maronite Christians. So Hezbollah would be fighting a two front civil war.

The status quo benefits them. They are part of the government which allows them space to operate for their big goals which is retaking the Sheba Farms, and liberating Palestine. They have accumulated a large arsenal with the purpose of defeating Israel in a general war. And that helps them maintain the support they have. Lebanese Sunnis now back Hezbollah. And they got Christian support for their actions in Syria. Only Christian faction that hates Hezbollah is the brain dead Maronites. All the others support Hezbollah.
 

Proton

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Lebanon is a very sectarian nation. There would be serious resistance against that idea. It really wouldn’t make sense for them to seize power in Lebanon. Yeah they are the strongest militia in Lebanon but a move like that would backfire big time. For one it would lead to a second Lebanese civil war which no one has an appetite for. It would enrage the Sunni world and you’ll have the Gulf Arabs states with their deep pockets sending all types of support to resist Hezbollah. It will be like Syria all over again where hundreds of thousands of salafi foreign fighters swarmed to fight the Shia. And the. You would have Israel backing their historical allies the Maronite Christians. So Hezbollah would be fighting a two front civil war.

The status quo benefits them. They are part of the government which allows them space to operate for their big goals which is retaking the Sheba Farms, and liberating Palestine. They have accumulated a large arsenal with the purpose of defeating Israel in a general war. And that helps them maintain the support they have. Lebanese Sunnis now back Hezbollah. And they got Christian support for their actions in Syria. Only Christian faction that hates Hezbollah is the brain dead Maronites. All the others support Hezbollah.
Isn't Sheba Farms more of a dubious justification against Israel? It's of insignificant size and mostly recognized as Syrian, but Hezbollah uses it to claim Israel is occupying Lebanese land?
 

TK3600

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Lebanon shouldn't even be a country to be honest. Its a semi failed state with little to no government. The government has no real power to enforcement any rules or even maintain security. A country that's almost bankrupt and has to rely on handouts and loans from KSA, Gulf states, IMF/Western powers and is basically controlled by a militias who decides her security and sovereignty issues. It's actually crazy when we think about it. It's like China during the warlords era. Sad reality.
Anyway, Hezbollah the militia group is basically detacto rule maker in Lebanon. Since the state is a failed state already which makes it easier for militia group to prosper and fill the vacuum..
It is like warlord China except the said warlord is super competent, which is nothing like China.
 

CaribouTruth

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Interesting AP article on the US Navy and its efforts in the Red Sea. Some choice quotes, along with usual slander.

The combat pits the Navy’s mission to keep international waterways open against a group whose former arsenal of assault rifles and pickup trucks has grown into a seemingly inexhaustible supply of drones, missiles and other weaponry. Near-daily attacks by the Houthis since November have seen more than 50 vessels clearly targeted, while
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that leads to the Suez Canal and into the Mediterranean.
[...]
“I don’t think people really understand just kind of how deadly serious it is what we’re doing and how under threat the ships continue to be,” Cmdr. Eric Blomberg with the USS Laboon told the AP on a visit to his warship on the Red Sea.
“We only have to get it wrong once,” he said. “The Houthis just have to get one through.”
[...]
“This is the most sustained combat that the U.S. Navy has seen since World War II — easily, no question,” said Bryan Clark, a former Navy submariner and a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute. “We’re sort of on the verge of the Houthis being able to mount the kinds of attacks that the U.S. can’t stop every time, and then we will start to see substantial damage. … If you let it fester, the Houthis are going to get to be a much more capable, competent, experienced force.”
[...]
Rear Adm. Marc Miguez, the Navy’s commander for its Carrier Strike Group Two, which includes the Eisenhower and supporting ships, said the Navy had taken out one underwater bomb-carrying drone launched by the Houthis as well during the campaign.

“We currently have pretty high confidence that not only is Iran providing financial support, but they’re providing intelligence support,” Miguez said. “We know for a fact the Houthis have also gotten training to target maritime shipping and target U.S. warships.”
The rest is about suspected Iranian backing and collaboration, and the diplomatic conundrum the US finds itself against the Houthis who have brought the Saudis to the table, effectively neutering the US bases in some Mideast countries who've asked their land to not be used against Houthis. Making Navy presence even more vital.

The article mentions use of drones, anti-ship cruise missiles, ballistics, autonomous boats and underwater drones by the Houthis.



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Sinnavuuty

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How an Iranian-Backed Militia Ties Down U.S. Naval Forces in the Red Sea
Yemen’s Houthis have launched hundreds of attacks, and American military officials see no end in sight

️The Navy says it has spent about $1 billion on munitions used in defending the Red Sea, conducting more than 450 strikes and intercepting more than 200 drones and missiles since November when the attacks began.

️ U.S. officials worry that the conflict is simply not sustainable for the U.S. defense industrial base, already strained by the demands for weaponry from Ukraine and Israel.

️ “Their supply of weapons from Iran is cheap and highly sustainable, but ours is expensive, our supply chains are crunched, and our logistics tails are long,” said Emily Harding of the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. “We are playing whack a mole and they are playing a long game.”
 

Serb

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Why don't these Americans have free healthcare again - we didn't "find out" I guess?

So, they can't even defeat the poorest nation on Earth when the situation calls for it?


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Houthis have fully wrecked 3 commercial ships by now, the last 2 in the last week.


 

Index

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Why don't these Americans have free healthcare again - we didn't "find out" I guess?

So, they can't even defeat the poorest nation on Earth when the situation calls for it?


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Houthis have fully wrecked 3 commercial ships by now, the last 2 in the last week.


Americans:

"Houthis will learn why we don't have free healthcare!!"

Houthis after witnessing American trillion dollar media memory hole their loss to a country without a navy:

"Damn, guess we finally learned why they don't have free healthcare."
 

JJD1803

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Yet the US political and economic class mindset are stuck in the 90s. They are still convinced that the US can somehow defeat Chin a conflict in the Pacific even though the USN is struggling with Yemen. What this also tells me that Iran can shut off the straights of Hormuz with ease and there is little the US can do.
 
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