Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

The British Empire

The British Empire founded (1917-) "our colonial project" (Vladimir Jabotinsky) with a group of fanatical Ukrainians, Poles, Lithuanians and Belarusians.

The first massacres to make clear who is the dominant people and who is the subjected population were made in the years 1936-39.

(A) The Zionist regime does not want to be 1 Civilized state because that means recognizing the population as Citizens.

(B) The Zionist regime does not accept the old solution of the 2 States with which the Zionists have been deceiving us for 45 years, and in fact to make it impossible they have placed some 800 thousand settlers in the West Bank.

The Mental Software of Zionism is clear, read the Book of Deuteronomy: a Great Rag Doll in hands of Aramean ventriloquists says that the correct order in "the land of Canaan" is the sharp and brutal distinction between a dominant people, a "HerrenVolk" we would say in German, and a population, "the people of the land" ("am ha'eretz") who must be subdued and enslaved and if they resist, expelled or exterminated.

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I want to highlight the end bit, "through ongoing negotiations or other means"
Biden's statement.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799447247018713258

Nothing is too absurd for our hegemon.

I don't think this is about any particular propaganda win, perhaps maybe to quell some internal disputes in the Israeli coalition we're not privy on, I believe this is US and Israel going on a show of force to retaliate against Israel being placed on the UN child killer list or whatever its called. Quite the statement.

Also, if the bit about Trojaning as humanitarian aid is true (which I have no reason to doubt, Israelis did dress up as doctors and cripples to raid a hospital few months ago), they've just put a big crosshair on the backs of every humanitarian worker worldwide.

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This war in Gaza has done significant damage to the US. The backlash is going to be worse than the Iraq war. The state department has been warning and begging Biden that its Gaza policy is destroying what’s left of US credibility. Going all in for Israel for political reason is accelerating US decline. Now with US involvement and this pier being used for military ops it makes it a legitimate military target in the event of a greater war. I don’t get what the Biden administration is doing. He is doing terrible in the polls because of Gaza and the economy. All I could think of is that AIPAC has compromising information on Biden and using it as black mail against him. Israel is an albatross that is sinking the US empire.

JJD1803 said:

This war in Gaza has done significant damage to the US. The backlash is going to be worse than the Iraq war. The state department has been warning and begging Biden that its Gaza policy is destroying what’s left of US credibility. Going all in for Israel for political reason is accelerating US decline. Now with US involvement and this pier being used for military ops it makes it a legitimate military target in the event of a greater war. I don’t get what the Biden administration is doing. He is doing terrible in the polls because of Gaza and the economy. All I could think of is that AIPAC has compromising information on Biden and using it as black mail against him. Israel is an albatross that is sinking the US empire.

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Somehow I don’t think AIPAC is remotely as in control as they like to think they are given that well, they are practically forcing the government to act in a manner that doesn’t only harm the U.S. but also Israel in the medium to long run. Before, people dont know much about AIPAC but now, they are practically all but called out as the brains behind the US government. Regardless of whether Trump or Biden gets in, it’s almost foreshadowed that the U.S. will suffer unrest during the elections which will ultimately cause massive supply chain issues for Israel and its weapons needed to continue this horror. None of the actions that AIPAC has taken as of recent is done in a calculated and educated manner but in a state of extreme panic with no allowance for any action that could moderate the situation. Sooner or later, a big mistake is bound to be made sooner or later…. That could render all the cards they hold to be useless in the end

JJD1803 said:

This war in Gaza has done significant damage to the US. The backlash is going to be worse than the Iraq war. The state department has been warning and begging Biden that its Gaza policy is destroying what’s left of US credibility. Going all in for Israel for political reason is accelerating US decline. Now with US involvement and this pier being used for military ops it makes it a legitimate military target in the event of a greater war. I don’t get what the Biden administration is doing. He is doing terrible in the polls because of Gaza and the economy. All I could think of is that AIPAC has compromising information on Biden and using it as black mail against him. Israel is an albatross that is sinking the US empire.

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Whatever happens in Palestine is basically for free as far as China is concerned. It should not forgo the opportunity to keep US as engaged as possible, it's simply too good of a trade not to keep taking.

Personally I think quite a bit of the "Israel controlling US" statements are from right wing conspiracies. US clearly keeps Israel because they need it to threaten the middle east, but exploiting corrupt politicians then also becomes natural to Israel, which has always been an extension of the American government, independent only on paper. HOWEVER, it is perfect if such memes spread, because either way they will create confusion and discord.

So regardless of the authenticity of the rumors, amplifying them is positive for defending against the US threat.

Index said:

Whatever happens in Palestine is basically for free as far as China is concerned. It should not forgo the opportunity to keep US as engaged as possible, it's simply too good of a trade not to keep taking.

Personally I think quite a bit of the "Israel controlling US" statements are from right wing conspiracies. US clearly keeps Israel because they need it to threaten the middle east, but exploiting corrupt politicians then also becomes natural to Israel, which has always been an extension of the American government, independent only on paper. HOWEVER, it is perfect if such memes spread, because either way they will create confusion and discord.

So regardless of the authenticity of the rumors, amplifying them is positive for defending against the US threat.

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Israel doesn't control the US, but the US has enacted a fundamentalist crusader ideology where essentially everyone in power have to support Israel and Israeli aggression.

It's very similar to how European states were culturally obligated to support the Kingdom of Jerusalem nearly a thousand years ago; and they would send immense aid when the Kingdom was threatened - in particular after Jerusalem was lost, so the Kingdom could last another 100 years.

Let's not forget that Zionism is a European/American ideology, while it has mainly concerned a subset of the European/American population, the support for this project - to reclaim the Holy Land - has been far broader than just the religiously Jewish population.
It's little more than a thousand year old ideology slightly reshaped to fit the current era.

Proton said:

Israel doesn't control the US, but the US has enacted a fundamentalist crusader ideology where essentially everyone in power have to support Israel and Israeli aggression.

It's very similar to how European states were culturally obligated to support the Kingdom of Jerusalem nearly a thousand years ago; and they would send immense aid when the Kingdom was threatened - in particular after Jerusalem was lost, so the Kingdom could last another 100 years.

Let's not forget that Zionism is a European/American ideology, while it has mainly concerned a subset of the European/American population, the support for this project - to reclaim the Holy Land - has been far broader than just the religiously Jewish population.
It's little more than a thousand year old ideology slightly reshaped to fit the current era.

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It's not just one or two goals being achieved but numerous objectives of varying magnitudes:

• Evangelical apocalypse requirements
• Keep middleast divided and weak
• Strong ally in region
• Keep 'Jewish Question' out of Europe
• Jewish claims on Canaan
• Settler colonialism
• Provide casus bellis for "regime change" and war in region
• Keep oil producers in check
• Keep Suez Canal in check
• Prevent nuclear proliferation in the region (Iraq, Libya, Iran)

...just a few off the top of my head.

Index said:

Whatever happens in Palestine is basically for free as far as China is concerned. It should not forgo the opportunity to keep US as engaged as possible, it's simply too good of a trade not to keep taking.

Personally I think quite a bit of the "Israel controlling US" statements are from right wing conspiracies. US clearly keeps Israel because they need it to threaten the middle east, but exploiting corrupt politicians then also becomes natural to Israel, which has always been an extension of the American government, independent only on paper. HOWEVER, it is perfect if such memes spread, because either way they will create confusion and discord.

So regardless of the authenticity of the rumors, amplifying them is positive for defending against the US threat.

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I live in the US and within both the left and right there is now this belief that powerful wealthy Zionist individuals in the US are pushing politicians to support Israel no matter what. And there was a recent article by the Washington Post that stated very wealthy Zionist were pressuring the mayor of New York(a democrat) to crush the Colombia campus protest in a secret WhatsApp group. This is leading to major radicalization of the left. And with the current blowup between Tucker Carson and Ben Shapiro over Israel there is division within the right over Israel.

Millennial and Gen z young people see Israel a genocidal child killing entity. I’ve been to some of these protest and the rhetoric is pretty radical. Many of these young people aren’t only calling for a Palestinian state. They want Zionist Israel to be destroyed the same way like Nazi Germany.

For China this is a gift because it gets the US bogged down again in the Mideast instead of focusing in east Asia. The US is bogged down in Ukraine and Israel. On the diplomatic front it’s becoming more and more isolated. And with Trump likely winning this fall the US will further be sucked in the Mideast. Trump is incompetent and will purge the US administratiove state to fill positions with people whose only qualification is loyalty to Trump. So expect lots of crises in the domestic and geopolitical front. China however doesn’t want this to escalate to regional war but if it does it will hurt the US way more than China.

Do you guys remember this?

"Israel doesn't control the US"

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There are two questions here:

(1) The "yisrael" word can refer to "our colonial project" founded (1917-) by the British Empire and some violent Ukrainians and Poles or it can refer to the whole of the grandchildren of the Ukrainian Polish Yiddish people, just as the Christians said they were "the true Israel"

(2) On the other hand the Mental Software of Zionism is the Mental Software of the West.

The Mental Software of the West is a fusion of Roman imperial ideology and bloody Aramaic fantasies.

The British Empire when it came to China tried to 'Palestinianize' the Chinese.

The Mental Software

The Mental Software says: "a (dominant) people" must subdue "the people of the land" ("am ha'eretz" in Rabbinic literature, "those damned people" in Nazarene literature put this expression in the mouth of a priest of the Sadducee Aristocracy of the city-Temple)

Some Zionists say that "the people of the land" are the people of "the land of Canaan", and other Zionists (Roman-Zionist) say that the people of the land are the people of the Earth.