Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

aahyan

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The point is that this attack wasn’t really designed to do real damage, but to send a message. The Israelis had ample advanced warning of the incoming attack. The Ballistic missiles were split into two waves and many targets across the country, military targets at that, which should be the most well protected in Israel. The fact any got through is a failure for Israel, because it proves that Iran can punch through its much vaunted defences despite not trying particularly hard, and Iran would have gathered invaluable intel on how Israel and America assets perform against the full spectrum of threat types and are feverishly looking for holes and weaknesses to exploit. And all that’s only at the most insignificant tactical level.

On the strategic level this was a colossal failure for Israel because it gift wrapped the prefect pretext for Iran to attack Israel directly without inflicting the wrath of the world. If anything, most of the world is secretly grateful that Iran pulled its punches and are putting every ounce of diplomatic pressure they can on Israel to just take the L and call it quits. Iran has managed to establish a new equilibrium where it gets to hit Israel back directly where they live for Israeli attacks on Iranian interests abroad. That’s frankly unimaginable even 6 months ago and is basically a done deal that Israel cannot roll back. The only way it can un-ring that bell is if it hits Iran with everything it’s got and in doing so start a massive regional near-peer war.

If Israel hits back at Iran and a whole new war breaks out, everyone who isn’t a die hard Zionist will finger Israel as the side responsible. That means not only will there be no sanctions on Iran, the likes of Russia and China will actively supply Iran with material and weapons for its ‘legitimate self defence’ citing the Ukraine precedent should anyone raise and questions. China for one would be wishing on every star it can see that Israel and America are so stupid, as it would allow them to bleed America of its high-end weapons inventory and potentially even materially weaken the USN should America jump directly into the shooting war.

The EU would be history as they already kissed goodbye to their primary source of oil and gas from Russia. Their already on life support industrial base will basically be wiped out by this.

This is why America, if it’s got any marbles left, will need to rein Israel in at all costs. But this is an election year, with a vegetable puppet at the helm, so all bets are off.

The only thing that matters is mission objectives. Interception rate is NEVER a criteria for mission success. In fact intercepting low cost drones with expensive missiles is double failure of Israelis today. Its not sustainable in any logistical sense. Israelis were completely confused today.

Iran's Objectives:
First we need to determine, was Iran looking to escalate it way too much Or was Iran trying to give a response that do not warrants a counter-response. I think we can agree that Iran didn't wanted to escalate. Iran wanted to attack Israel, but not a full scale war, it wanted to hit a military target but nothing out of proportionate. Out of 100s projectiles it fired, Iran never intended all those to impact and cause wide scale destruction. Iran sent these 100s intentionally as decoys to confuse Israeli AD to make way for select few BMs. This is as simple as anything. Israeli AD with most expensive missiles foolishly engaged all those cheap drones. In a way its another success of Iran to deplete Israeli stocks of expensive missiles with its cheap drones.

Israel's objectives:
Israel's first objective was to keep the status-quo and make Iran back off. They did full psychological warfare for weeks saying that Israel will instantly respond to Iran with full scale and what not. Israel wanted that deterrence to maintain. This first objective failed.
Israel's second objective was under worst case scenario, if Iran did attacks and violates Israel's airspace then to repel each and everything. It had weeks of preparation, it has US / UK allies with it fully committed. The last thing they wanted was to let their military base hit by Iranian missiles. This objective also failed for Israel.

What happened:
Now Iran's challenge was to pass through that thick layer of AD, which has GPS Jamming, EW and every sort of missiles. and guess what Iran succeed. Iran sent 100s of slow moving projectiles as decoys that were intended to confuse Israeli AD, while at least +15 fast moving BMs did hit the military base. Objective complete. Mission success. Its not about firing 100s or 1000s or intercepting 1000s, its about the mission criteria.

Iran's timing of missiles was nothing short of perfect, it's missiles precision was nothing short of perfect. We need to understand, we are talking about ranges in excess of 1000 Kms. Iran sent the waves with exact timings, the drones sent hours before the CMs & BMs but all made entry into Israel at exact same moment. Also it shows that Iran was well aware of Israeli AD, that's the only reason they sent so many drones as decoys. Iran sent multi-layered attack against Israel's multi-layered defense.

Lastly. people who are dumb enough to make a foolish point of 'interception rate' needs to ask themselves that what really were they expecting?? Were they expecting that Iran fired those 300+ projectiles all to hit Israel and cause mass level destruction across Israel? I mean if yes, then you need to understand basics of modern warfare. It was never the goal of Iran at first place. Iran wanted most of these low cost drones to be intercepted with expensive Israeli AD, so missiles with intended targets can pass through. These low cost drones were meant to be intercepted and confuse Israeli AD along with US / UK / Jordanians. It was Iran against all and it successfully achieved its goals. Israel is humiliated and it can't do much now. This is the reality of today.

I think below video summarizes the total success of brilliant Iranian strike, how most expensive Israeli missiles are engaging cheap decoys and while the missiles with real target pass through all the defensive layers. A 10/10 perfect attack.


Note:
This is a small demo that Iran has presented. It has proved that Israel is well in range of its missiles, it has proved that Israel can be paralyzed & crushed if attacked with full force, it has proved it's missiles are accurate despite all those GPS / EW jamming. Last century's world order is crumbing & crushing with every year passing.
 

Sinnavuuty

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Seriously think Netanyahu is a mad man. He should have deescalated, but now he's gonna double down on Israel's strategic mistake. This may hurt Iran, but the Iranians are gonna make sure its painful for the Israelis.
I did not expect Iran to attack Israel and time has proven me wrong. Now I really hope that Israel attacks, in fact, that was one of the reasons why I didn't expect Iran to attack, I was sure that Israel would retaliate and wouldn't let it go unpunished, they need to maintain this Strategic Deterrence and what happened yesterday was the opposite of that. Hopefully I'm wrong again because this is going to be an even bigger escalation.

Any idea here how they would attack, what targets and what Iran's air defenses are?
 

aahyan

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I did not expect Iran to attack Israel and time has proven me wrong. Now I really hope that Israel attacks, in fact, that was one of the reasons why I didn't expect Iran to attack, I was sure that Israel would retaliate and wouldn't let it go unpunished, they need to maintain this Strategic Deterrence and what happened yesterday was the opposite of that. Hopefully I'm wrong again because this is going to be an even bigger escalation.

Any idea here how they would attack, what targets and what Iran's air defenses are?

Given that Israel lacks BMs, it is likely that they will deploy F35s to hit deep into Iran with the help of US tankers in the horizon. They would likely target oil infrastructure and missile installations, but I doubt they will target nuclear locations.

However, Iran's air defense is not strong enough to intercept F35s, and the Iranians know this. As a result, they will plan to use their BMs and CMs to strike deep into Israel, something that the US and Israel are now fully aware of.

So, keep your fingers crossed.
 

TK3600

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The US already said their DDGs helped with the interceptions though I don't think they said wheather these USN ships actually launched airdefence missiles or not, if the DDGs were in the eastern mediteranian then it's possible the US DDGs were actually actively defending Israel with their own missiles.
Given their limited production capacity, every missile fired is one less into PLAN targets.
 
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