Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

Sinnavuuty

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Am I taking crazy pills or is this not a resounding success for proving the effectiveness of air defenses. This single attack matches the largest salvos the Russians have thrown at Ukraine. While not as technically impressive due to the telegraphed action, this is still one of the largest AA operations against a multitude of attack vectors in recent memory.
On the contrary. It's a resounding failure.
 

aahyan

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On the contrary. It's a resounding failure.

The coping mechanism of Israel supporters is very intriguing and complex

Normal mechanism
- Denial
- Truth
- Cope with it

Israel supporters
- Denial
- Truth and proofs
- Denial
- More proofs
- Denial and send Israeli farms posts
- More denial and believes the IDF
- Continue denial besides sat and image proofs
- Post random bullshit from Israeli accounts such as the trunk of a missile

The difference is that the cope mechanism is not functional at the end for the second mechanism

This will likely take a year for the cope mechanism to finish
 

enroger

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Am I taking crazy pills or is this not a resounding success for proving the effectiveness of air defenses. This single attack matches the largest salvos the Russians have thrown at Ukraine. While not as technically impressive due to the telegraphed action, this is still one of the largest AA operations against a multitude of attack vectors in recent memory.

Imagine if the tables were flipped and Israel launched the same volume of fire at Iran, how much of this could Iran have intercepted?

Sure you can argue Israel(+US)'s air defense is much more capable than Iran's, is this ever in question? This sort of comparison is academic at best and has no strategic relevance.

The important question to ask is which side is more sustainable and thus be able to win the war, the attacking side or the defending side? In this instance what is the percentage of air defense munition used versus what is the percentage of offensive munition used? Who can replenish faster?

It is also not just a comparison between Israel's industry and Iran's industry, it is more of a comparison of US industry and Iran industry, Can US afford to spend all of their high end BMD on Israel's defense?
 

aahyan

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Sure you can argue Israel(+US)'s air defense is much more capable than Iran's, is this ever in question? This sort of comparison is academic at best and has no strategic relevance.

The important question to ask is which side is more sustainable and thus be able to win the war, the attacking side or the defending side? In this instance what is the percentage of air defense munition used versus what is the percentage of offensive munition used? Who can replenish faster?

It is also not just a comparison between Israel's industry and Iran's industry, it is more of a comparison of US industry and Iran industry, Can US afford to spend all of their high end BMD on Israel's defense?


 

enroger

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That's not counting US expenditure. SM-3 costs 11mil a pop, you can probably buy a few Iranian MRBM when they're on sale with this. Even the interception on Iranian drones they brag about, we're talking about AIM-9 or AIM-120 costing a quarter to one mil each, how many shahed drones is it?

Considering US shouldered majority of interception their figure is gonna be much higher
 
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jiajia99

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Netanyahu is ruining his own country
Honestly wonder if the Israel’s are truly ready for a sustained attack if this is all it takes for them to panick. The future doesn’t bode well for them to put it mildly as having been in the advantage so long doesn’t really prepare them well for something to happen in reverse.

On a more important note, I take it Israel doesn’t have hypersonic weapons, if not, they really should’ve invested in such a collaboration development with the US on this because if how effective it is as shown in its use in Ukraine and how given Irans and Russia collaborations is bound to yield such a result sooner or later in comparison.

Does Israel have enough missile and air defenses for a sustained attack if the current attack has gotten the U.S. spooked when I kinda thought a nation of it strength would’ve had a ‘bring it betch’ reaction. Also does Israel have the manufacturing ability to produce its own ammo for its air defense faster then Iran can produce its munitions cause they simply cannot rely exclusively on the U.S. to do all of its supplying (given their priorities)
 
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tankphobia

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On the contrary. It's a resounding failure.
You can't tell me with a straight face that even 30 years ago air defenses would advance to such a level that a strike package involving over 250+ munitions with close to half of it ballistic missiles timed to impact at around the same time would be almost completely defeated. Patriot during the gulf war had abysmal intercept rates against tactical ballistic missiles.

Defense is always going to be more expensive than offense, the other option is to let all of those munitions land in Israel.
 

aahyan

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That's not counting US expenditure. SM-3 costs 11mil a pop, you can probably buy a few Iranian MRBM when they're on sale with this. Even the interception on Iranian drones they brag about, we're talking about AIM-9 or AIM-120 costing a quarter to one mil each, how many shahed drones is it?

Considering US shouldered majority of interception their figure is gonna be much higher

Indeed, below are few confirmations & now the question is how much it costed to US?



 
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