Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

RottenPanzer said:

Could the West Bank Palestinians contribute to the offensive btw folks?

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There are some clashes on the West Bank as in Hebron, but nothing that would indicate major action by the Palestinians.

solarz said:

I don't see how pacifying a tiny urban strip is harder than clearing entire swathes of dense jungle.

Just carpet bomb the whole place and kill everyone. Israel just might be pissed enough to do so.

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There is a hypothesis that the Mossad turned a blind eye to all of this so they could obtain the license to do exactly what they want: destroy Gaza. Furthermore, this would free the Mossad to be on a loose leash like in the 60s and 70s, it would discourage Netanyahu's opposition who wanted to normalize relations with Palestine, and on top of that, it would strengthen Netanyahu's government in every way.

RottenPanzer said:

Could the West Bank Palestinians contribute to the offensive btw folks?

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From what I read on this thread, they already burned/captured a checkpoint. as for wetehr they'll do more or not, no Idea, this could go anywhere, especially if the bridge is established. The israelis then will have to deal with far more than Gaza (like Hamas relocating parts of it's forces to the west bank and operating from there, oof if it happens).

RottenPanzer said:

Could the West Bank Palestinians contribute to the offensive btw folks?

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Didn't they already took over a check point?

If Hamas can move fast enough and create a land bridge between the west bank and Gaza they might move in enough supplies to sustain their gains for a while question is can the keep those gains permanently..

Palestine + Gaza + south Israel might be a viable palestinian state given they are now connected by land and have sea access. Probably need some strong backers/sponsors tho to unblock the sea blockade.

Virtup said:

And not only give your bitter ennemies in the region the best excuse to gang up on you, but also allow your supporters' rivals to destroy them on the internatinal scene and galvanize all the 1.8 billion muslims around the globe, forcing their leaders to act. There's only so much they can do to contain their population, their social media is already boiling and rumbling like a volcano. (another example, what happened in Egypt).

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Easy PR win for Russia and China....
Sounds a bit harsh to say because a lot of people will die on both sides.

Stierlitz said:

Not even 48 hrs of fighting and regional military superpower has already resorted to begging ...

Israel has turned to the United States with a request for additional military assistance, it may be announced on October 8 - Antony Blinken.

The United States is considering Israel's requests for additional military assistance, and intends to announce it on Sunday. This was stated by US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken in an interview with CNN.

"We are considering specific additional requests that Israel has sent. I think you will hear news about this today," he said.

@DDGeopolitics

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A major dilemma for the US, who get the aid first, The Ukrainians or the Israelis. Since Brandon is in office then Ukraine get the nod.

And a major lesson for Taiwan, you are the last in the list. The American may say you're an Asian and a Chinese at that so pick a shovel and dig trenches cause the PLA can't swim anyway...lol

solarz said:

Just because you thought of the consequences doesn't mean there's anything you can do to mitigate it. History is full of similar stories.



I don't see how pacifying a tiny urban strip is harder than clearing entire swathes of dense jungle.

Just carpet bomb the whole place and kill everyone. Israel just might be pissed enough to do so.

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An indiscriminate killing and bombing wouldn't be able to eliminate Hamas. Israelis need to go house to house for a clean up operation. Otherwise, it is just another dog and pony show and won't be accepted by Israeli people.

In addition, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians might not invite scrutinized but if the number is hundreds of thousands then it is a complete different story. Mariupol and Bakhmut are both a great example of even with heavy bombing and firepower that won't be an easy task to accomplish without tens of thousands of casualties from Israeli military.

KYli said:

An indiscriminate killing and bombing wouldn't be able to eliminate Hamas. Israelis need to go house to house for a clean up operation. Otherwise, it is just another dog and pony show and won't be accepted by Israeli people.

In addition, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians might not invite scrutinized but if the number is hundreds of thousands then it is a complete different story. Mariupol and Bakhmut are both a great example of even with heavy bombing and firepower that won't be an easy task to accomplish without tens of thousands of casualties from Israeli military.

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I may say this Bro, the Russian are more humane than the Israelis, so there is a big difference there.

Virtup said:

And not only give your bitter ennemies in the region the best excuse to gang up on you, but also allow your supporters' rivals to destroy them on the internatinal scene and galvanize all the 1.8 billion muslims around the globe, forcing their leaders to act. There's only so much they can do to contain their population, their social media is already boiling and rumbling like a volcano. (another example, what happened in Egypt).

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They already tried ganging up on Israel, and that was when their military was in much better shape.

Let's be honest, nobody gives a crap about Palestinians. They're just virtue signal fodder for common Muslims, and useful pawns for anti-Israel powers.

As for social media, unless you're using Chinese platforms, nothing on there happens without US consent. They can just as easily snuff out any opinion as they can whip up a storm.

Some facts happening at the moment:

1 - The Israeli Defense Minister orders the supply of weapons and military equipment to settlements close to the border with Lebanon and the evacuation of the inhabitants of these settlements within 8-10 km of the border with Lebanon.

2 - The IDF is sending large amounts of reinforcements to the Lebanese border, even more than to Gaza, the IDF has started moving hundreds of tanks to the Pilon area, close to the border between Lebanon and Syria (video proving this).

3 - The Syrian Army and the Egyptian Army increased the readiness of their units near the border with Israel:
4th Armored Division(Daraa) ~18k personnel
7th Infantry Division(Beit Jinn) ~15k personnel
Second Army(Port Said/Ismaelia/El Mansoura) ~120k personnel
Third Army(El Suez/Hurghada) ~120k personnel

4 - There is also an accumulation of IDF forces in the strip close to the border with Gaza, including armored, mechanized and self-propelled artillery units.

solarz said:

They already tried ganging up on Israel, and that was when their military was in much better shape.

Let's be honest, nobody gives a crap about Palestinians. They're just virtue signal fodder for common Muslims, and useful pawns for anti-Israel powers.

As for social media, unless you're using Chinese platforms, nothing on there happens without US consent. They can just as easily snuff out any opinion as they can whip up a storm.

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They might indeed be virtue signalling cannon fodder for the majority of politicians, but not for the common muslim. I already gave an example of what happened in Egypt, where a Policeman killed many israelis. Before that an Egyptian border guard killed 3 Israeli soldiers before dying, and was celebrated as a hero by his family and fellow countrymen. The average Egyptian was celebrating the death of IDF soldiers, in peace time, you call that not giving a crap?
As for the US controlling social media, you can't snuff out opinions about what's happening when they represent 90% of all posts in the last 48 hours.

Virtup said:

They might indeed be virtue signalling cannon fodder for the majority of politicians, but not for the common muslim. I already gave an example of what happened in Egypt, where a Policeman killed many israelis. Before that an Egyptian border guard killed 3 Israeli soldiers before dying, and was celebrated as a hero by his family and fellow countrymen. The average Egyptian was celebrating the death of IDF soldiers, in peace time, you call that not giving a crap?
As for the US controlling social media, you can't snuff out opinions about what's happening when they represent 90% of all posts in the last 48 hours.

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Those are all meaningless gestures. We're talking about Arab countries banding together and declaring war on Israel. Whole different ball game.