Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

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gelgoog

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Nah. Nothing quite as sinister. The US just looks as this as an opportunity to expand the conflict further and they are being purely driven by their Israeli lobby. Who has wanted to bomb Iran for decades already. The US tried subversion first when Bolton was in charge of Iranian policy but so far that has mostly failed. So they might try a change of tack. They are trying to build a casus belli to bomb Iran basically.

Obama wasn't as in the pocket of the Israeli lobby. So he was basically the only US President in recent times who tried to normalize relations with Iran. It makes no sense for the US to have antagonistic relations with Iran whatsoever. Except for the Israeli lobby.
 
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Sinnavuuty said:
There is a theory that the conflict created artificially by the United States in the Red Sea is, in essence, intended to harm China, with the following consequences:

▪️the main traffic in the Red Sea occurs on the China-Europe route, the turnover between them amounted to 780 billion dollars - China has been Europe's main partner for the third year in a row, displacing the United States.

▪️a change of several thousand km in logistics as well as risk insurance affects the competitiveness of Chinese products and reduces the flow of investment from the EU to China.

▪️the United States constantly threatens to escalate the conflict and bring down the region and oil prices - oil logistics to China are critical - 75% of oil in China is imported.

▪️the conflict works for an anti-Chinese logistical project from India, through the Saudis and even Israel.

▪️the actions of the American fleet are a signal for any other strait.
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Babe wake up new US copium dropped. We're getting killed and routed out of the ME, but maybe it can hypothetically inconvenience China slightly. It was all planned!! Biden is still in control!!

Copium, like fentanyl, must be continously increased in dosages in order to be effective.
 
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Didn’t Zeihan claim that Chinese economy would collapse without USN keeping the trade routes open?
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Ships in the Red Sea appear to be trying to avoid Houthi attacks by declaring themselves Chinese.
They've started switching their AIS trackers to say their crews are "ALL CHINESE."
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This is not cool in my opinion if they're making false nationality claims. It opens up Chinese owned/flagged vessels for attack if the Houthi's and other belligerents don't think they're genuine Chinese vessels since they've been fooled before.
 
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In December, the network was assessed to be an estimated 250 miles. Senior Israeli defense officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters, are currently estimating the network is between 350 and 450 miles.
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Two of the officials also assessed there are close to 5,700 separate shafts leading down to the tunnels.
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Recent attempts to demolish the tunnels by flooding them with seawater have failed.
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The official estimated it could take years to disable the tunnel system.
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With the tunnel network being estimated at 350-450 miles long which will take years to disable and dismantle. The goal of destroying Hamas is impossible to achieve now that they started pulling troops out of Gaza.
 
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Interesting. Maybe the Red Sea attacks are really nothing to do with Israel/Palestine:

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“I would argue that we what have now, big picture, isn’t simply an artifact of the Israel/ Gaza conflict with the Houthis joining in…but this is also a direct result of the announcement on Sept 9th, at the G20, for the India/ Middle East Economic Corridor, which explicitly bypassed Iran.”

He described the motivations of Iran (backing the Houthis economically and with weapons) as being along the lines of “If you don’t work through us and our North South Corridor…we will make sure that no shipping is safe between India- South Asia to the Red Sea and Europe.”
 
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With the tunnel network being estimated at 350-450 miles long which will take years to disable and dismantle. The goal of destroying Hamas is impossible to achieve now that they started pulling troops out of Gaza.
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Why won't flooding with water works? Genuinely curious
 
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taxiya

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eprash said:
Why won't flooding with water works? Genuinely curious
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Any city has drainage system, those tunnels would have connections to that drainage system. Essentially the tunnels are just an integral part of the city, no more different than a basement of any building. To flood the tunnels, Israel has to keep water above the street level for a long time. That is something like redirecting a large river over the city or pumping equivlant volume of sea-water over the city and block the water from flooding neighbouring Israeli land. It is beyond Israel's capability.
 
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