Apparently they are from a unit that controls the border fence remote machine gun posts.
Tells me that Israel has pretty much no solid control over Gaza if Hamas fighters can still capture soldiers from the border fence.
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Tells me that Israel has pretty much no solid control over Gaza if Hamas fighters can still capture soldiers from the border fence.
They are conscripts/reservists. Israeli citizens (with some exceptions) are obligated to serve a minimum of 32-36 months in the military, after which they can be called up at any time until age 40.
Don't expect these guys to have any major strategic and tactical knowledge apart from basics, nor the personal drive for combat.
I have my doubts about their 126,000 active personnel. The number is probably closer to 50-60K retinue/standing army.
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Also, morale is not on their side in this war. They can see the entire world viewing them as criminals. Earlier this year, there was a massive internal disorder within the military with reservists refusing to attend service due to political developments. And then.. they were suddenly thrown into war at gunpoint.
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Doubtful about that, they mainly took it from telegram channels from what i could observe
Unofficial infographic on assets that participated in strike against Houthi's in Yemen on January 11, 2024.
Great write up.
Do you have any actual documentation to suggest low moral in the IDF or are you just saying this on vibes?
This may sound unbelievable to some here but most of the people in Israel are actually very angry over the 7 October attacks and are willing to go very far to get revenge.
July 19
Cracks are emerging in Israel’s military. Reservists threaten not to serve if government plan passes
9 August
IDF admits protesting reservists have caused some harm to its readiness
October 13
Last Week Israeli Air Force Pilots Were On Strike,This Week They’re At War
The rest we can tell with their performance.
These protests ended abruptly, not with the government coming to an agreement with the soldiers, but with the initiation of the Israeli Invasion of Gaza.
None of what you linked implicates present morale. The protests ended with the 7 October attacks, a month before the invasion began. Do you thinks Israeli society just didn't notice that those attacks happened? You can't cite a desire for revenge as a reason that Hamas will never give up and then in the same breath imply Israelis will just throw up their hands and forget about 7 October at the first sign of hardship.
The link literally says soldiers were on strike the week before the war.
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You aren't negating anything I've written.
The main thing I'm trying to say here is that revenge being a powerful motivator applies just as much to the Israelis as it does to the Palestinians, and for that reason people should not underestimate the political will in Israel to prosecute this war to its conclusion, even in the face of high costs. This relates to what you said since morale is primarily important because of how it implicates people's willingness to fight.
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