Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

I think Hamas has somewhat lost the propaganda war on this, at least in the west. Maybe it is a "cultural" thing of which they like to see in that side of the world or just brainless... but filming and propagating your group capturing/killing/parading dead "young attractive" females and random frighten innocent looking people is pretty dumb. War and death is horrible obviously, but these types of videos is stuff you try to censor out your side committing. Israel shows themselves blowing up a residential tower but they hide the fact that many innocent may have died.

no_name said:

Interesting then Hamas attack Israel, Israel respond by airstrikes on Gaza which is at least in names governed by PLO.
PLO looking impotent, they may be forced to condemn Israel and also risk further losing support of Palestinians and pushing balance to Hamas.

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It's not interesting, everyone knows, including Palestinians that PLO are impotent and incompetent.

daifo said:

I think Hamas has somewhat lost the propaganda war on this, at least in the west. Maybe it is a "cultural" thing of which they like to see in that side of the world or just brainless... but filming and propagating your group capturing/killing/parading dead "young attractive" females and random frighten innocent looking people is pretty dumb. War and death is horrible obviously, but these types of videos is stuff you try to censor out your side committing. Israel shows themselves blowing up a residential tower but they hide the fact that many innocent may have died.

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i don't think they are targeting the westerners though... in fact it would be madness to target westerners given how quickly Russian influence was removed following the Ukraine war.

If true then things could be about to heat up even more:


TBH I'm wondering if achieving some kind of detente with Saudi encouraged Iran to support/incite Hamas to do this.

daifo said:

I think Hamas has somewhat lost the propaganda war on this, at least in the west. Maybe it is a "cultural" thing of which they like to see in that side of the world or just brainless... but filming and propagating your group capturing/killing/parading dead "young attractive" females and random frighten innocent looking people is pretty dumb. War and death is horrible obviously, but these types of videos is stuff you try to censor out your side committing. Israel shows themselves blowing up a residential tower but they hide the fact that many innocent may have died.

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Hamas never has a chance in the West. Losing the propaganda war in the West is the least of their worries. Russian influence in the West is completely silent in a matter of days, what makes you think anyone would bother to win the heart and mind of the Westerners.

As for Israel, there are actually many horrible and war crime types of pictures coming from Israeli soldiers as a show of force and retaliation. However, those pictures never got posted widely in the West. So the story is already written no matter how each side behaves.

Late to the game but im actually surprised that IDF/Mossad etc. got caught with their pants down like that. With both highly capable HUMINT and SIGINT in place, something of this magnitude should not have happened.
This was a very large scale and highly sophisticated operation carried out by Hamas... not some lone wolf type with a bomb vest or a couple of folks seeking revenge.
Many someones in Israeli intelligence dropped the ball on this one. Also this proves HAMAS is far more sophisticated and capable that Israel had thought.

daifo said:

I think Hamas has somewhat lost the propaganda war on this, at least in the west. Maybe it is a "cultural" thing of which they like to see in that side of the world or just brainless... but filming and propagating your group capturing/killing/parading dead "young attractive" females and random frighten innocent looking people is pretty dumb. War and death is horrible obviously, but these types of videos is stuff you try to censor out your side committing. Israel shows themselves blowing up a residential tower but they hide the fact that many innocent may have died.

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Indeed, Israel does this on daily basis and but it doesnt get blown up and tbh, even if there is evidence, it doesnt get picked up by western mainstream Murdoch media or other state backed media entities like BBC. It's just the power imbalance created by rules based order. Remember the massive protests against Iraq war? nothing happened. Remember, few protests against CCP covid policies and CCP immediately accepted demand of the people? who is more democratic?

As expected, China reiterated its position of two states solution. It asked for both sides to stop escalating and cease fire.

Hezbollah started attacking Israel.
This thread should be renamed soon.

daifo said:

I think Hamas has somewhat lost the propaganda war on this, at least in the west. Maybe it is a "cultural" thing of which they like to see in that side of the world or just brainless... but filming and propagating your group capturing/killing/parading dead "young attractive" females and random frighten innocent looking people is pretty dumb. War and death is horrible obviously, but these types of videos is stuff you try to censor out your side committing. Israel shows themselves blowing up a residential tower but they hide the fact that many innocent may have died.

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You shouldn't be surprised at the content Hamas are putting out, in a region engulfed by conflict continuously, the people are extremely desensitised to such content and so what they consider normal could be repulsive to us. They are not looking for our support, but the support of other Arab nations.

We're simply judging them by western lenses while in reality it's not any different than the stuff that any other middle eastern military puts out.

In regards to the Israeli destruction of the residential tower, they did perform knocking before hand via low yield explosive on the roof top a few minutes before the actual strike.