Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

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Petrolicious88

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KYli said:
If Hamas did it, then it is a misfire as claimed by Israel. Ukraine has multiple misfires that killed many of its people. So by your logic, Ukraine should be condemned or even overthrown.

Not to condone of Hamas or its actions, but you can't just apply rule on entity but not another. If Hamas' misfire and killed many of its people, it is no worse than Ukraine's misfire that killed its people. Don't play double standard and make one's crime more than other just because of your political view.
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I don’t follow the Ukraine war. The web of lies and propaganda is too much for me to untangle. You are assuming I support Ukraine.

IF it’s a misfire then say it was a misfire. Don’t blame the other side for it when your own mistake killed your own people. That’s worse than being killed by the enemy. Is that not true??

Btw, they are not blaming Hamas. They are saying it was a misfire by the Palestinian jihadist group.
 
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Petrolicious88

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Bellum_Romanum said:
Uh huh sure. When America and or her allies MISTAKENLY OBLITERATES FAMILIES thought to be the Taliban/Terrorists/ISIS/Serbian military/ all are excused huh, despite their supposed super duper technological superiority and Supreme tactical wizardry. But now that those dastardly Terrorist HAMAS may have inadvertently bomb the hapless civilian victims all of a sudden, oh the horror? Give me a snicker break. You and your ideological b.s. knows no bounds; your ilk tends to bend the rules whenever it suits the narrative your mind and your malleable values are comfortable enough to accept. What a farce.

Unfortunately, history isn't too kind for your rhetoric either since the extremist on the Israeli side tend to kill their own to advance their aims and objectives to fulfill their delusions.

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B I don’t know how to respond to most of your comments. But at least stop using words like dastardly or ilk. We’re not in the Lord of the rings.
 
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Andy1974

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SlothmanAllen said:
CNN is reporting that the USS Carney (DDG-64) intercepted multiple missiles that were fired while it was near Yemen.

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I haven’t been able to find out how these drones and missile were shot down, but if this is a destroyer using up it’s air defense missiles then this is ammo that the US would surely want saved for China.

If they can deplete these destroyers missiles with cheap drones and cruise missiles from Yemen then the US Navy might not have enough ammo for a Taiwan fight.

I seem to recall some analysis saying that Arleigh Burkes may be a bit weak against drones, looks like we might be about to find out.
 
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Andy1974 said:
I haven’t been able to find out how these drones and missile were shot down, but if this is a destroyer using up it’s air defense missiles then this is ammo that the US would surely want saved for China.

If they can deplete these destroyers missiles with cheap drones and cruise missiles from Yemen then the US Navy might not have enough ammo for a Taiwan fight.

I seem to recall some analysis saying that Arleigh Burkes may be a bit weak against drones, looks like we might be about to find out.
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drop a grenade on its radar and CIWS then launch a real anti-ship missile
 
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KYli

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Petrolicious88 said:
I don’t follow the Ukraine war. The web of lies and propaganda is too much for me to untangle. You are assuming I support Ukraine.

IF it’s a misfire then say it was a misfire. Don’t blame the other side for it when your own mistake killed your own people. That’s worse than being killed by the enemy. Is that not true??

Btw, they are not blaming Hamas. They are saying it was a misfire by the Palestinian jihadist group.
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I am only giving you an example why it doesn't matter. It isn't about Ukraine or your position. As long as Hamas didn't do it on purpose, then average Palestinians won't turn against Hamas just like Ukrainians didn't turn against Zelensky for misfire.

Ukraine or other countries often didn't accept their responsibilities for misfire initially. Russia was being blame for some of the misfire. It is only until evidence is too obvious that they accepted the responsibility. You might think it is bad but for most people especially during war time, they are pretty forgiving.

Doesn't matter if it were Hamas or Palestinian Jihadist group as it is just a label for a Palestinian resistance group and not relevant for this discussion.
 
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Bellum_Romanum said:
Interesting breakdown on the ingredients ALLGEDLY USED by Hamas with their crude rocket/missile used against the state of Israel. The video and text is in Chinese, but there's a subtitle provided in English so people that don't speak or read Chinese can understand.

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AP accidentally letting the ethnic cleansing plan out the bag forcing editors to scrub the article of that section. Absolutely ridiculous that anyone believes the “we didn’t bomb the hospital” when they keep changing their story every time it gets debunked.

Members of the Israeli security and political establishment told the U.S. diplomats that the eradication of Hamas would require methods used in the defeat of the Axis powers in World War II. Israeli officials have publicly made similar comparisons.
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Four U.S. officials familiar with the discussions said American diplomats became increasingly alarmed by comments from their Israeli counterparts regarding their intention to deny water, food, medicine, electricity and fuel into Gaza, as well as the inevitability of civilian casualties. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity so they could discuss private conversations.
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1715175576250487263
 
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