ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

ShahryarHedayat

Junior Member
Recent Interview days ago with President Assad. with the Czech paper Literarni Noviny.


Question 1: Mr. President, I would like to start from the beginning. Less than a decade ago, Syria was building its relations with the west, and you were implementing World Bank-proposed reforms, and Mr. Kerry, until 2010, I believe, used to call you “my dear friend,” and somehow, overnight, everything changed, and you became a dictator and a Hitler and so on. What’s your opinion about that? How can you explain this dramatic change?

President Assad: In fact, I haven’t changed, neither have we changed our policies, values or principles. The problem lies with the West, and it’s not a new problem. It is related to the independence of our country. In fact, this is the problem of the west with many other countries, including Syria. During the period you refer to concerning relations with the West, between 2008 and 2010, relations were good, but in fact they were not based on mutual respect. For instance, France wanted Syria to play a role with Iran concerning the nuclear file. What was required was not to be part of that file, but to convince Iran to take steps which are against its interests. We refused to do that. They also wanted us to take a position against resistance in our region before putting an end to Israeli occupation and aggression against the Palestinians and other neighboring countries. We refused that too. They wanted us to sign the Euro-Association Agreement which was against our interests and was meant to turn our country into an open market for their products while giving us a very small share of their markets. We refused to do that because it is against the interests of the Syrian people.
These are a few examples of that relationship, and that’s why they took that decision. The same is happening now with Russia; two decades ago, Russia was a close friend of the West. Suddenly, Russia became an aggressive country; and the West started to demonize President Putin, and the same propaganda was used in both the Syrian and Russian cases. So, the problem has to do with the independence of these countries. The West wants client states ruled by puppets. This is the core issue with the West. It has nothing to do with democracy, freedom, or supporting the people in the region. An example is what happened in Libya and the continuing killing in Syria with Western support.

Question 2: But in those times, the beginning of the so-called American war on terrorism, Syria used to help the CIA in the rendition programs and interrogating and torturing people. Why did you join that program?
President Assad: You mean before the crisis?
Journalist: Yes.

President Assad: We have been suffering from extremism for more than five decades. And terrorism, in its stark shape, appeared in Syria in the 1970s. At that time we called for international cooperation to fight terrorism. Nobody cared about that then. In the West, they were not aware of this problem. That’s why we have always been ready to help and cooperate with any country that wants to fight terrorism. And for that reason we helped the Americans, and we are always ready to join any country which is sincere about fighting terrorism. We will never change our position in that regard, before, during, or after the crisis. The problem of the west is that it did not understand how to deal with this issue. They believed that fighting terrorism is similar to a computer game, which is not true. Fighting terrorism should be through culture, the economy, and in different fields.


Question 3: Regarding this question of terrorism, you heard about events in France recently, what are your comments about that?

President Assad: When you talk about terrorism, about killing civilians, and regardless of the political position, agreement or disagreement with the people who have been killed, this is a case of terrorism; and we are against killing innocent people anywhere in the world. This is our principle.
We are one of the countries which best understand this issue because we have been suffering from terrorism for the past four years and we lost thousands of innocent lives in Syria. That’s why we sympathize with the families of those victims. However, and at the same time, we want to remind many people in the West that we have been talking about these repercussions since the beginning of the crisis in Syria. We have been saying, you shouldn’t support terrorism and provide it with a political umbrella, because this will reflect on your countries and your people.
They didn’t listen to us. Western politicians were short-sighted and narrow-minded. What happened in France proved that what we said was true. At the same time, this incident brought European policies to account, because they are responsible for what happened in our region, for what happened in France, and maybe what happened earlier in other European countries.

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delft

Brigadier
This will be important in both Iraq and Syria:
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The beginning of this NYT article
U.S. Signals Shift on How to End Syrian Civil War
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and
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JAN. 19, 2015

BEIRUT, Lebanon — American support for a pair of diplomatic initiatives in
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underscores the shifting views of how to end the civil war there and the West’s quiet retreat from its demand that the country’s president,
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, step down immediately.

The Obama administration maintains that a lasting political solution requires Mr. Assad’s exit. But facing military stalemate, well-armed jihadists and the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, the United States is going along with international diplomatic efforts that could lead to more gradual change in Syria.

That shift comes along with other American actions that Mr. Assad’s supporters and opponents take as proof Washington now believes that if Mr. Assad is ousted, there will be nothing to check the spreading chaos and extremism. American planes now bomb the Islamic State group’s militants in Syria, sharing skies with Syrian jets. American officials assure Mr. Assad, through Iraqi intermediaries, that Syria’s military is not their target. The United States still trains and equips Syrian insurgents, but now mainly to fight the Islamic State, not the government.

Now, the United States and other Western countries have publicly welcomed initiatives — one from the
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and one from
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— that postpone any revival of the United States-backed Geneva framework, which called for a wholesale transfer of power to a “transitional governing body.” The last Geneva talks
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amid vehement disagreement over whether that body could include Mr. Assad.

One of the new concepts is a
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proposal to “freeze” the fighting on the ground, first in the strategic crossroads city of Aleppo. The other is an initiative from Russia, Mr. Assad’s most powerful supporter, to try to spur talks between the warring sides in Moscow in late January. Diplomats and others briefed on the plans say one Russian vision is of power-sharing between Mr. Assad’s government and some opposition figures, and perhaps parliamentary elections that would precede any change in the presidency.
A first small step to solving the problems.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
...so Israel acted in support of Al Qaeda terrorists known to be operating in the area.
Delft, STOP making these absurd, leading, ideological and politically motivated statements.

ISRAEL DOES NOT SUPPORT AL QUEDA.

Just because the IDF destroyed a cell of terror fighters who may also have arguments and disagreements with Al Queda, this DOES NOT MEAN IN THE LEAST that Israel supports Al Queda.

You have been warned about these types of statements in the past.

ONE WEEK SUSPENSION FROM SD
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kwaigonegin

Colonel
ISIS executes men and boys for breeding pigeons, throws gay men off buildings

Abu Abdullah, a 52-year-old farmer, told NBC News about the moment earlier this week that six gunmen barged into his home and dragged away his oldest son, who is 21.
“My son was standing beside me. I asked them why, and they said, ‘He is not following the real Islam, he must be punished for being a pigeon breeder. This habit is taking him away from worshiping Allah,” Abdullah said on the telephone.
The fighters put the household’s pigeons in bags and burned them. Then they took away his son.

:mad::mad::mad:

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feeding birds is unislamic? WTF? ISIS really needs to go the way of the dodo bird.
 

Franklin

Captain
This will be important in both Iraq and Syria:
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The beginning of this NYT article

A first small step to solving the problems.
Some of us thought that demonizing and trying to overthrow al-Assad in Syria was a bad idea from the very beginning. Because overthrowing or weakening a government in a country can create power vacuums. And that can have unforeseen consequences like in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. And we see that now in the form of the Islamic State (IS). And further a field or closer to home we have the siege at that bar in Sydney and the recent shootings in Paris.

Now it seems that the policy makers in the US and Europe have turn around to that position. But I think that the proposals on the tables now maybe too little too late to save Syria. Wars like love can have a life of its own. And this war has had a life of its own for a very long time. They want al-Assad to negotiate and share power. But my question is negotiate how ? Negotiate who ? And the same goes with sharing power. Sharing power with who ? Sharing power how ? The strongest insurgence groups in Syria are the IS and the al-Nusra Front. They don't want to negotiate and wants to fight on. That leaves the "secular" opposition the FSA. But they are the weakest militarily and control very little terrain on the ground. And the FSA is not a single monolith organization. But rather its a collection of different groups and militias that control their own patch of land on the ground that they guard fiercely as they run them like little thiefdoms. How can you either negotiate and share power with a structure like that ? Or perhabs they are talking about the political leadership of the FSA in exile. Those guys are sitting in bars and lounges in Turkey all day and represent no one but themselves. They don't control the men with the guns on the ground. What is the sense in negotiating and sharing power with people like that ? And what good will it do if they did ?

Right now there is a stalemate on the ground and that will continue for some time to come. No one party is strong enough to win outright and the fact that the Americans seems to be arming and training all sorts of groups in Syria means that the stalemate will only last longer.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
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(CNN)Two Japanese hostages, one demand from ISIS: Hand over $200 million, or else.

The else being that the pair will meet the same gruesome fate as other captives held by the terrorist group, others who were shown in ISIS videos kneeling in orange jumpsuits in front of masked, black-clad men -- just like the Japanese hostages identified as Kenji Goto Jogo and Haruna Yukawa -- shortly before being beheaded.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Israel did have contacts with "opposition" , even UN confirmed that . You make what you want from it, but truth cannot be hidden .'

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Some important points, Thunderchief.

Point 1: Your link documents UN Observations. Those observations are NOTR conformation of anything like what you insinuate.

Pont 2: "Contact," between forces at these types of lines occurs regularly. Sometimes the contact is in the form of fighting. Sometimes it is in the form of talking. And sometimes, depending on who they are dealing with, there may be humanitarian contact as well.

Point 3: Be careful in what you insinuate, Thunder. 1st, you are NOT to respond to Moderation on the forum...that is an SD rule and I view your post (which I will keep in my own response to you) as a violation of that rule. You are being warned for that. Second, there is no attempt to "hide," anything here on SD.

In trying to further insinuate that Israel supports Al Queda, you are violating the rules by responding to my moderation. As to the accusation itself, as I have said, it is absurdly and patently false.

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no_name

Colonel
feeding birds is unislamic? WTF? ISIS really needs to go the way of the dodo bird.

It's not about being unislamic or what not, it's about instilling psychological fear in the area they control. This serves to numb the ability to take initiative from the populace so the end result is that they do not know what to do without overstepping lines so they only do what they are told to do.
 

thunderchief

Senior Member
France's former soldiers 'joined Islamic State' in Syria and Iraq

French defence minister Jean-Yves Le Drian has confirmed earlier media reports that former French soldiers have joined the ranks of the Islamic State (Isis) in Iraq and Syria, but added that the phenomenon is "extremely rare".

The news of "a dozen" French troops-turned-jihadists was first reported by AFP, which quoted an unnamed defence ministry source, and RFI radio.

"We estimate at around a dozen the number of former troops who have joined these networks," the source said. "Our concern is not former soldiers... It's preventing the phenomenon of radicalisation with our forces."

One defector is said to have become an emir in the Syrian eastern region of Deir Ezzor, where he is commanding a group of French recruits. Other former French soldiers are explosives experts in their twenties, according to RFI. Another combatant had allegedly served in the elite 1st Marine Infantry Parachute Regiment - one of Europe's most experienced special forces. They have all received solid training in combat, shooting and survival techniques.

But Le Drian sought to play down the magnitude of the phenomenon.

"Among jihadists there are former soldiers as well as from other professions...I don't think it's necessary to identify lists from a particular social entity to say that terrorism comes from there," he told RTL.

He also declined to give figures on the number of former troops involved.

"The fight against terrorism requires a minimum of secret action. I think it's better not to say more," he continued, stressing that the army is already "on watch" for any radicalisation risk.

"There are 3,000 people to monitor in France who are at risk of radicalisation or are already radicalised. Among them there are former military but we know that and we monitor them," he said.

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