ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

If us forces kills russian uniformed service members in syria, then that would already means war
And russia stood no chance in defeating us and allies in syria, the only effective way for russia is to invade latvia and estonia, i highly doubt NATO could defend those states as russia has the logistical advantages, and as a matter of fact i higly doubt europe willingnes to go to war with russia to defend those states, especially if it was the us who started the war first by killing russian soldiers in syria

SampanViking said:

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you got a WW3-Fighter here:

bajingan said:

If us forces kills russian uniformed service members in syria, then that would already means war
And russia stood no chance in defeating us and allies in syria, the only effective way for russia is to invade latvia and estonia, i highly doubt NATO could defend those states as russia has the logistical advantages, and as a matter of fact i higly doubt europe willingnes to go to war with russia to defend those states, especially if it was the us who started the war first by killing russian soldiers in syria

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The west has been unusually very confrontational lately towards both China and russia (talks about strategic Blunder) it makes me wonder whether there are people within the us neocons that actually pushing for ww3

Mr T said:

Personally I wonder if the "Allies" (US, UK and France) will have to take some sort of action now Russia has warned of escalation. Russia cannot be seen to be able to essentially veto their foreign policies by saying "this is our sphere of interest - go away".

I'm sure Russia would protest in the event of an air/naval attack, but shooting down planes or sinking ships would risk even further escalation that brought the allied states directly into a war against Assad. Right now, Russia's priority is to keep Assad in power, and it won't do that by bringing the militaries of three major powers to bear on him.

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Ha, I wonder if you are naturally so biased, or has the relentless western media blitz just comprehensively completely erased all proscribed (rational) thought on the manner?

What a nicely sanitised euphemism ‘foreign policy’ is, when what the real nature of the threatened US/UK/French action is an illegal act of war on a sovereign nation.

It’s not a ‘hostile’ or blatantly illegal act when the west drop bombs of choice, but to defend yourself against such attacks is somehow supposed to be some disposable ‘crime’? Give me a break.

If the shoe was on the other foot, and Russian warships and warplanes were to launch missiles and drop bombs on military bases in Jordan, Saudi Arabia etc where US and western forces are operating from, would you(or the group think talking heads of the western media you seem to be channeling so faithfully) be here demanding that only the incoming missiles and bombs be targeted and insisting it a wild escalation for the US and western forces to go after those Russian launch platforms? I think not.

And note, I have not even touched upon the illegal US military bases INSIDE Syria itself, because that is a completely different league of illegal, like Crimea illegal. But I do not see you complaining when US forces slaughtered pro-Syrian forces, including Russian mercenaries, in defence of such illegal outposts.

You think the Russians don’t consider a line having been crossed there just because those dead Russians weren’t wearing official Russian uniforms?

America has already shed Russian blood in this conflict, directly, so don’t expect Russia to consider it as anything other than perfectly fair to return the favour.

Anyone with half a brain would realize it was a false flag attack, assad is on a brink of victory in douma, rebels has agreed to surrender and suddenly he used chemical weapons and the attack happened just after trump stated he wants to pull out from syria, come on seriously

As what Trump has tweeted, the war will happen sooner or later, however, I just don't feel the war would ever happen. That's Russia! Not Iraq, not Libya, and what will China do? Stand still and watch tigers fighting each others?

By the way, some suggests that what Trump tweeted today ("Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!") has disclosed military secret. What do you think?

escalation? maybe, WW3, maybe not. because neither side wants it.

but escalation could get off hand, like the WW1.

bajingan said:

If us forces kills russian uniformed service members in syria, then that would already means war
And russia stood no chance in defeating us and allies in syria, the only effective way for russia is to invade latvia and estonia, i highly doubt NATO could defend those states as russia has the logistical advantages, and as a matter of fact i higly doubt europe willingnes to go to war with russia to defend those states, especially if it was the us who started the war first by killing russian soldiers in syria

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Which is why NATO/Russian forces established the Deconfliction line.
It's also why the Russian bases are no attack zones, however if Russian forces are on a Syrian military base they come into a grey zone. The US will not attack a Russian military base The Kremlin knows that. If they place Russian Uniformed forces on a Syrian military base they are placing them in a target zone, Unless they tell the World about a Division sitting at T4. It's not the Fault of the US or Israel if they take losses.

Farther more Estonia and Latvia are again under treaty of mutual defense. If NATO didn't respond to action against those states then NATO is worth less as it means that no nation in the Alliance can trust the others. However not every nation in NATO has been as Russo friendly a Number of NATO nations would move even on there own to counter such a move as frankly they would likely be next And NATO has trained lately a lot in those nations. Additionally Russian Armed forces have a number of disadvantages they have been working alot to rebuild but there actual operational capacity is smaller. Syria and Ukraine has tied them down operationally for the moment. And Invasion of Estonia or Latvia would not be a reaction to US forces attack but a Direct attack against NATO and the EU it would make them the aggressor.

bajingan said:

Anyone with half a brain would realize it was a false flag attack, assad is on a brink of victory in douma, rebels has agreed to surrender and suddenly he used chemical weapons and the attack happened just after trump stated he wants to pull out from syria, come on seriously

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This conflict is loaded with times where it seems like a victory was at hand then it turned around. anything could have happened. He might have wanted to make an example out of them or been convinced that they were pulling out to hit him elsewhere.

Unless proof can be gathered "Anyone with half a brain would realize it was a false flag attack, " This False Flag Narrative is just a Conspiracy Theory.

Trump's statement that he wanted to pull out of Syria has caveats. The primary locations where the US is operating are along the oil fields keeping them from being used by the Syrians, Iranians, Russians, and Self proclaimed Caliphate this restricts there AOR's

TerraN_EmpirE said:

This conflict is loaded with times where it seems like a victory was at hand then it turned around. anything could have happened. He might have wanted to make an example out of them or been convinced that they were pulling out to hit him elsewhere.

Unless proof can be gathered "Anyone with half a brain would realize it was a false flag attack, " This False Flag Narrative is just a Conspiracy Theory.

Trump's statement that he wanted to pull out of Syria has caveats. The primary locations where the US is operating are along the oil fields keeping them from being used by the Syrians, Iranians, Russians, and Self proclaimed Caliphate this restricts there AOR's

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US is going to attach a sovereign country with no evidence. Anyone with a half a brain will see the US is using it as a pretense