ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

TerraN_EmpirE

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Missiles attack airbase in central Syria, cause casualties: state TV
Xinhua| 2018-04-09 13:02:47
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The Russians claim it was the Israeli Air Defence force.
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T4 has been on the IDF regular target list and the Israelis have been concerned that the base is hosting IRGC and Quds forces.
Of course the IDF would not admit if they did or didn't, well not for at least a decade anyway.
 
The Russians claim it was the Israeli Air Defence force.
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T4 has been on the IDF regular target list and the Israelis have been concerned that the base is hosting IRGC and Quds forces.
Of course the IDF would not admit if they did or didn't, well not for at least a decade anyway.
I've now listened to the Russians (through
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) saying Syrians intercepted five out of eight missiles; I guess satellite pictures will become available to show what THE three missiles did to
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then huh
 
Mattis says US hasn't ruled out military action against Assad
Updated 1652 GMT (0052 HKT) April 9, 2018
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already yesterday in the evening I read in Russian Internet the S-400 batteries in Syria were set to combat mode
(= after the alleged chemical attack Yesterday at 2:00 PM, and yes, before the attack Today at 7:28 AM occurred!)

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taxiya

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I meant not even an undemonstrative statement

(as now "... the allegations of the chemical weapons' use by the Syrian army in the war on the rebels in the Douma district ..." is in Missiles attack airbase in central Syria, cause casualties: state TV
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was given in Roundup: Douma rebels succumb under pressure to leave Damascus side
Xinhua| 2018-04-09 00:25:09
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If Chinese does not believe anything happened, there is nothing for a statement, demonstrative or not. The point is one does not comment on nothing.

If you comment on it, you already believe there is something worth to be investigated. That is not where China is at.

Many people and governments in western countries may believe there is a possibility to the report even not everyone believes in it. There is not a single Chinese believes it, and you know the reason, 2008 changed everything.;)
 
Today at 7:36 AM
I meant not even an undemonstrative statement

(as now "... the allegations of the chemical weapons' use by the Syrian army in the war on the rebels in the Douma district ..." is in Missiles attack airbase in central Syria, cause casualties: state TV
Xinhua| 2018-04-09 13:02:47
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was given in Roundup: Douma rebels succumb under pressure to leave Damascus side
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"Douma is the last rebel-held area in Eastern Ghouta countryside near Damascus and the rebels there accused the government forces of using chlorine gas in an attack on Saturday that targeted the area."
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Missile attack targeting airbase in central Syria kills 14 -- report
Xinhua| 2018-04-09 14:38:09
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SampanViking

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Well the good news is that the Douma is now under nominal Government control and while the SAA seem not yet to have entered, Russian military police and Chemical Weapons experts are already inside the town.

This means that in the interest of establishing the truth of the facts, they will soon be able to provide access to:
The bodies of the dead
The injured still being treated
The much mentioned hospitals were the casualties were treated
The testimony from the Doctors that assisted
The testimony from the Syrian Civil Defence that first responded
General eye witness accounts from other residents.
Plus of course obtain trace evidence from the attack site

Douma is not a particularly large place, so this should not take to long to achieve.
 
so
What Is America Going to Do About Syria Now?
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After the latest suspected chemical attack, the United States has four options.

Donald Trump
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there will be a “big price to pay” for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s suspected use of chemical weapons in the rebel-controlled town of Douma outside Damascus. But what exactly could that mean? Beyond responding to this particular attack, what can the United States really do about Assad’s depravity and flouting of international norms at this point in the seven-year conflict? The paths forward can be sorted into at least four broad categories.

(1) Massive Military Engagement

No one in the Trump administration—not President Trump, not Defense Secretary James Mattis, neither freshly installed National-Security Adviser John Bolton nor Secretary of State-designate Mike Pompeo—has expressed interest in removing the Assad regime by force and rebuilding the Syrian nation, the way the U.S. overthrew Saddam Hussein in Iraq. But some have advocated pushing back hard against Assad and particularly his Iranian allies in Syria. In 2015, Bolton went so far as to
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that the United States carve out an independent Sunni Muslim state in northeastern Syria and western Iraq. If “defeating the Islamic State means restoring to power Mr. Assad in Syria and Iran’s puppets in Iraq,” pleasing Russia and Iran at the expense of the United States, Israel, and America’s Arab partners, “that outcome is neither feasible nor desirable,” he wrote.

“The U.S. has to decide whether it can accept Assad’s (and therefore Iran’s) absolute control of most of Syria,” said Faysal Itani, an expert on the Syrian conflict at the Atlantic Council. If this is unacceptable, then the Trump administration needs to mobilize much greater U.S. military power and enlist local proxy forces and regional partners in a new campaign to “either force [Assad] to share power or defeat him.” Former U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson
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goals of ousting Assad through a political settlement and beating back Iranian influence in Syria. (The speech, like Tillerson, has since disappeared from the State Department’s website.) But “those things cannot happen without a military component to U.S. policy” that goes beyond fighting the last vestiges of ISIS in the country, Itani told me. The military offensive could begin modestly with, for example, a “buildup of assets” in southern Syria, where anti-Assad forces still control some territory.

But whatever big price Trump hopes to levy on Assad, Trump faces one of his own if he makes good on his threat. “The cost of meaningfully changing the [military and political] balance in Syria has become prohibitively high over the last few years,” Itani said, as Russian and Iranian forces have intervened on behalf of Assad, ISIS has risen and fallen and soaked up all of America’s attention, and Assad and his allies have retaken most of Syria’s core territory and relegated thinning ranks of rebel fighters to a couple corners of the country. “What was once a realistic goal in the first years of the war”—even, perhaps, when Obama contemplated and
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military retaliation against Assad’s use of chemical weapons in 2013—“has become fraught with risk.” This is particularly true for Trump, who just last week
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about how the United States would soon withdraw its small military presence from Syria once ISIS is defeated and quit sinking trillions of dollars into the region.

“Even a committed president would struggle to sell [an anti-Assad military operation] publicly, but … it would run against the instincts of an impatient and uninterested president who doesn’t want to fight another Middle East war whatever his anti-Iranian staff may say,” Itani said. “I find it unlikely the president would abandon his core beliefs and go to war with the Iranians and possibly even the Russians, because that is what removing Assad would entail.” (Consider that while the U.S. military under Trump has engaged in occasional turf battles with Russian mercenaries and Iranian-affiliated militias in Syria, it was a
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for Trump, in condemning the latest chemical attack, to merely call out Vladimir Putin by name.)

(2) Limited Military Engagement

Similar to the way the Trump administration
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Tomahawk missiles against a Syrian airbase one year ago to punish Assad for a chemical attack, the United States could “use pinpointed military force to pressure Assad” and deter him from employing chemical weapons, said Andrew Tabler, a Syria scholar at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

Such strikes could be accompanied by initiatives such as American reconstruction aid to parts of Syria not controlled by Assad, diplomacy with Russia and U.S. allies in Europe and the Middle East, and potentially renewed covert support to Syrian rebels (Trump and then-CIA Director Pompeo
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this assistance in 2017). All of which could raise the costs of propping up the Syrian regime and thus drive a wedge between Russia and Iran “over bringing Assad to the negotiating table,” increasing the likelihood of reaching a “political settlement in which Assad eventually departs” and is replaced by a centralized government that can prevent terrorist groups from regenerating and Iran from holding sway over Syria.

The challenge, according to Emma Ashford of the Cato Institute, is that if the U.S. applies “too little force” against Assad, as she believes Trump did last year in inflicting
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on a Syrian airfield, “it sends the message that we are not willing to actually enforce norms against chemical-weapons use.” (If the Syrian government did indeed carry out the chemical attack in Douma this weekend, it
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its first since Trump decided to enforce America’s red line against the use of chemical weapons.) Apply too much force, and you reduce chemical-weapons usage at the risk of “empowering extreme rebel groups, increasing the intensity and duration of the war, and adding to civilian casualties in the long run.”

“At a minimum, I suspect we’ll see another round of symbolic [U.S.] airstrikes against targets inside Syria,” Ashford told me. “It’s also entirely possible that the president will see the repeated use of chemical weapons after last year’s airstrikes as a personal affront and decide to take more substantive military action against Assad. However, given the president’s apparent disdain for ‘nation-building,’ any military action is likely to be short-term and to leave other states and Syria’s people to pick up the pieces.”

“Assad will push, pull, prod, and plot ceaselessly … only pausing when confronted with superior force,” said Tobias Schneider, a research fellow at the Global Public Policy Institute in Berlin. “This war is existential and only an existential threat would make it change course.”

Rather than aiming to deter Assad from using chemical weapons , a more realistic goal for limited U.S. strikes is to sanction those who commit atrocities and degrade the Syrian military’s ability to harm its own people, Schneider reasoned. “There is no shortage of targets: facilities associated with chemical-weapons programs, airbases used for their delivery, and [the] headquarters of the notorious air force intelligence service, which [is believed to have] coordinated the most recent attacks. … A broader assault could include munitions factories [and] maintenance and supply bases that keep the teetering loyalist forces afloat.” If Russians or Iranians get caught in the crossfire, however, the intervention could quickly escalate.

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(3) Diplomatic and Humanitarian Engagement

Given the unattractive military options, Ashford recommended that the United States aggressively pursue “humanitarian and diplomatic steps” such as supporting the Syrian refugees dispersed among Syria’s neighbors and leading efforts to strike a peace deal in Syria, “an endeavor that has largely been abandoned under the Trump administration.”

The crisis over the attack in Douma should prompt the Trump administration to ask whether the United States is “drawing red lines around chemical weapons to save face, to save norms, or are we trying to save civilians?” Schneider said. “It is clear the U.S. and her allies will not dislodge Bashar al-Assad from office, but they will have to live with the consequences of his survival. Any new policy designed in Washington should focus on the fates of those Syrians left out of the above equation: those bombed, starved, displaced from their homes and unlikely to return. Syrians stuck in the messy, marginal communities, marbled with Islamists of all stripes, that Bashar al-Assad is dedicated to beating and gassing into submission—or pushing across the border—to cement his reign.”

(4) Military Withdrawal

James Dobbins, the special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan during the Obama administration, told me that in the near term a “punitive” U.S. strike “may be necessary to sustain U.S. credibility” regarding the chemical-weapons taboo. But afterwards, he proposed, the United States should offer to remove its troops from Syria and “normalize relations” with the Assad government once the U.S-allied Kurds are granted autonomy within their enclave of Syria and all foreign militias, particularly those associated with Iran, are withdrawn from the country. He predicted, however, that the Trump administration would not take this approach, instead pairing strikes against Assad with “continued ineffectual calls for Assad to go.” That’s “the path of least resistance” in terms of U.S. domestic politics, he explained.

“Assad has won the civil war,” Dobbins
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. “The Syrian state has been closely aligned with Russia and Iran for decades. … The best that can be hoped for at this late stage is that post-war Syria is no worse than pre-war Syria.”

“I am very wary of recommending a course of action that I do not think the United States will pursue responsibly and see through,” said Itani, who for years
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U.S. and allied military action against Assad and Iranian-backed militias to end the Syrian war. “I would prefer we do nothing [militarily against Assad], to yet more humiliation for” the United States.

Melissa Dalton of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, meanwhile, suggested something of a hybrid of several of these options: a mix of American measures such as punitive strikes against Syrian aircraft used in Douma, sanctions for nations that have supported Assad’s deployment of weapons of mass destruction, a push for a negotiated end to the Syrian war that holds Assad accountable for his WMD use and large-scale conventional violence, and a commitment to sustained counterterrorism and stabilization missions in Syria. Through these moves, she argued, the United States could not just address terrorism and WMD proliferation, but also counteract Iran and Russia.

What Dalton expects, however, is for the Trump administration to take narrower actions, which she worries will address neither “the underlying drivers of civil war” nor the “conditions that allow ISIS and like-minded groups to fester.”
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According to an investigation by US news agency, Zahran Alloush, the killed-commander of Jaysh al-Islam, “Bandar bin Sultan’s personal brigade in Syria”, was one of the terrorists who had close relationship with Saudi intelligence services, particularly the intelligence agency during the following events in Syria.

Because Alloush was an expertise in rocket attacks, he could buy 500 kilos “Sarin gas” and “Cyanide” with one of the officers’ coordination in Turkey intelligence agency named “Ayhan” from one of the countries of the Caucasus and Eastern European country. And also he could transfer these chemicals through Turkey into Syria. Since Saudi officials related to terrorists have promised to pay the cost of buying toxic gases before, he could pay back by one of the European countries local staff of the embassy of Saudi Arabia’s account to Vendors of toxic gases account.

After finding 2 kilograms of toxic gasses during transferring through turkey, this event becomes a huge scandal.

Terrorists bought Chemical gases from two European countries and transferred part of the cargo to turkey and other part to the Lebanon. They transferred all purchased chemicals in the form of 4 cargoes and under the guise of petrochemicals into Syria. One cargo from Turkey and three others from the North Lebanon were transferred to “Al-Qutayfah” With the help of a political character associated with Saudi Arabia.

Based on research, after the presence of chemical battalion of Liwa al-Islam in the village of Jobar, Syrian forces found a production workshop and warehouse of toxic chemicals, tens of mortar shells for filling Chemicals and large amounts of chemicals sent by Saudi Arabia. After chemical manufacturing workshops was found and destroyed, since early 2013 Intelligence Agency established a small workshop located in a remote region near the border of Saudi Arabia and Iraq. In the workshop terrorists related factors made the chemicals gasses ready to use on the battlefield after producing them.

According to information obtained, Saudi security forces were strictly supervised the factory’s area. The products of this small workshop were wrapped one to three-kilo packages and under different covers in an illegal way and transferred to Jordan unbeknownst to the Government of Jordan. They transferred the depot in a villa in “Ar Ramtha” to “Daraa” then to secure locations in Rif Dimashq.

According to the fieldwork investigation of two reporter of Mint Press News, a large amount of chemical weapons was being distributed in Syria especially in “Eastern Ghouta” by the Saudi Intelligence Chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan.

Based on this research, previously local fighters against the regime of Bashar Assad, who are affiliated Al-Nusra Front, have acknowledged that the weapons were imported by Saudi militant, a field commander. The Saudi militant told them Bandar bin Sultan, the former Saudi intelligence chief, provided these Chemical Weapons.

Although in a phone call with Syrian Al-Manar news agency, Dr. Hessam Shoaib, An expert on Islamic movements in the region, have disclosed that he helped Intelligence Alloush to amassed about 50 units and brigades under the heading “Jaysh al-Islam”.

Saudi strategy is providing financial aid to support terrorists from Riyadh and removing al-Qaeda from Saudi Arabia.

According to experts, this is the motivation used for forming Jaysh al-Islam.
 
Yesterday at 7:32 PM
Today at 7:36 AM
I meant not even an undemonstrative statement

(as now "... the allegations of the chemical weapons' use by the Syrian army in the war on the rebels in the Douma district ..." is in Missiles attack airbase in central Syria, cause casualties: state TV
Xinhua| 2018-04-09 13:02:47
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was given in Roundup: Douma rebels succumb under pressure to leave Damascus side
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"Douma is the last rebel-held area in Eastern Ghouta countryside near Damascus and the rebels there accused the government forces of using chlorine gas in an attack on Saturday that targeted the area."
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Missile attack targeting airbase in central Syria kills 14 -- report
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now
News Analysis: Alleged Syrian chemical attack new flashpoint in U.S.-Russia ties
Xinhua| 2018-04-10 10:43:42
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The alleged Syrian chemical attack is becoming a new flashpoint for relations between the United States and Russia that many already see as having hit rock-bottom.

EXACERBATING TRADE OF ACCUSATIONS

The past two days have seen an exchange of fierce words between the two nuclear powers. U.S. President Donald Trump, who had kept from lashing out at Russia and President Vladimir Putin over Ukraine and many other issues, attacked Putin several times in a move many U.S. experts saw as "groundbreaking."

Calling the recent chemical attack in Syria "SICK" on Sunday, Trump tweeted that "President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible" for backing the Syrian government, warning that there will be a looming "big price" for them to pay.

At a cabinet meeting on Monday, Trump said Putin "may" have to bear responsibility for the Syrian incident.

"If he does, it's going to be very tough. Very tough," he said. "Everybody's going to pay a price. He will, everybody will."

He also hinted that Syria, Iran and Russia are behind the attack.

"They're saying they're not. But, to me, there's not much of a doubt. But the generals will figure it out, probably over the next 24 hours," said Trump.

Later on Monday, envoys of Washington and Moscow traded barbs at a United Nations Security Council special meeting over the alleged Syrian attack. U.S. Ambassador Nikki Haley said Russia has the "blood of Syrian children" on its hands, and Russian envoy Vassily Nebenzia said the incident was staged and that possible U.S. military action could trigger "grave repercussions."

TENSIONS IN RELATIONS

U.S.-Russia relations have already hit rock-bottom. Recently, Washington stepped up its pressure by kicking out 60 Russian diplomats last month to join Britain's retaliation over the disputed ex-Russian spy poisoning case, and launching sanctions against Russian business leaders and high-ranking officials in the two months over alleged Russian intervention in the U.S. 2016 presidential elections.

Such U.S. moves have sparked fierce responses from Russia. Besides a counter diplomat expulsion, Russia vowed tough measures against U.S. sanctions on Friday, and said "there remains only a desire of the United States to ensure by all means its global hegemony."

Trump's threat on Monday of military option in response to the alleged Syrian chemical attack further strained ties with Russia, endangering the "de-escalation zone" and hotlines the two sides have agreed to set up so as to avoid conflicts on the Syrian battleground.

MILITARY ACTION OR WITHDRAWAL?

Experts said Trump's military threat, an apparent setback compared with his statements last week to take the U.S. troops out of Syria very soon, could further complicate the U.S.-Russia ties.

Russia and Syria have been urging a withdrawal of U.S. troops, whose presence they say is uninvited and is a violation of international law.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in early April said he welcomes Trump's pledge of an early withdrawal from Syria, despite what he called "worrisome" signs that U.S. troops were becoming "deeply entrenched" in areas east of the Euphrates River in fighting the Islamic State (IS) group.

Afshin Molavi, a senior research fellow from U.S. John Hopkins University, told Xinhua that Trump's warning to take military action in response to the alleged "chemical attack" will not change the balance of power on the ground fundamentally, but create a confusing situation for Washington itself.

"If he (Trump) goes for something larger this time, for example, targeting Syria's air force, I think that could play a much more significant role in changing the balance of power on the ground at the end of the day," he said.

"But as long as Russia and Iran continue to be on the ground while President Trump is talking about pulling America's special forces out of Syria," it creates "a confusing situation, just got a lot more confusing," he added.

"It's a very muddled policy," he noted. "On the one hand, you declare that you want to remove the U.S. troops from a battle zone. On the other hand, you are threatening military strikes."

Daniel Davis, a retired army lieutenant colonel and fellow at the Defense Priorities military think tank, cautioned against U.S. military action.

An expert said the U.S. military presence over years in Syria failed to facilitate the humanitarian relief there.

"Realistically, the 2,000 American troops have not made a huge difference to the landscape of the war in terms of humanitarian assistance, because the United States never had a vested interest in protecting the Syrian population," Janine di Giovanni, a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations think tank, wrote on New York Times on Friday.
 
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