ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

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The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)
Koran ( 9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

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Analysis: Truth be told, the word "eagle" doesn't appear anywhere in the Muslim holy book, the Qur'an. Neither, it goes without saying, does this bogus verse combining American symbolism (the bald eagle is the official national emblem of the U.S.A.) with recent history and Islamic prophecy.

Verse 9:11 of the Qur'an is about repentance and reads as follows in three different English translations:

But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity, they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.

But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge.

But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.

The earliest instance I could find of the fake passage, evidently intended in its original context as a joke, is in a Usenet posting dated February 14, 2003.
 

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Ambassador Bhadrakumar on the complexities of forming a coalition against IS:
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Iran, Gulf Arab dither on Islamic State

This is going to be the momentous week for Middle East politics when the US President Barack Obama will at last lay bare his strategy towards fighting the Islamic State. Another forty-eight hours to go. “On Wednesday, I’ll make a speech and describe what our game plan’s going to be going forward,” Obama typically told NBC’s Meet the Press last week.
Without doubt, we are witnessing the curtain-raiser of a new war that is about to begin in the Muslim world, one that may last for years and at the end of it could lead to profound changes on the political map of the Middle East as it was drawn following the Sykes-Picot agreement of 1916. To be sure, the core issue in Obama’s “game plan”, therefore, concerns what role the US assigns (or visualizes) for its regional allies, especially the Gulf Arabs and the ally-in-waiting — Iran.
Tehran has duly issued a denial apropos the BBC report last week to the effect that Iran’s Supreme Leader Al Khamenei has given the green signal for US-Iranian cooperation in the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq. But by now we’re getting used to the pantomime — US and Iran working together in Iraq but in denial mode publicly.
To be sure, the Iran we knew last year no more exists. Probably, what we thought we knew was always a chimera and this was all along the ‘real’ Iran, which we suspected existed. Anyway, Iran’s predicament in being publicly spotted as the Great Satan’s collaborator in Iraq probably will explain the reserved berth that US president Barack Obama is going to keep for that country, without assigning any name for it, within the ‘coalition of the willing’ on Iraq.
Obama listed eight Western countries and Turkey as comprising the “core coalition”, but didn’t mention any regional country from the Middle East. Secretary of State John Kerry described the nine countries as “coalition of the clearly willing”, which is, perhaps, an apt description.
Iran’s hesitancy in standing up and being counted publicly as the West’s partner in Iraq is a dilemma typical of the Arab countries as well. Even King Abdullah of Jordan, who would have been a safe bet to join any Western bandwagon rolling in the region, apparently rebuffed Obama’s invitation this time, when they met last Thursday.
The Gulf Arabs are nervous about the warnings by the Islamic State to lay off or face dire consequences. They are dithering, faced with the choice to be part of the US-led military action to “take out” the Caliphate that is consolidating in Iraq.
This comes out in the Arab League statement issued yesterday in Cairo following the foreign ministers meeting. Contrary to earlier expectations, the statement failed to endorse the US’ campaign against the IS, but instead drew inspiration from the UN Security Council statement passed last month calling on member states to “act to suppress the flow of foreign fighters, financing and other support to Islamist extremist groups in Iraq and Syria.” (Reuters).
Iran’s predicament is particularly acute. To be seen on the same side as the US and Israel in fighting a Sunni Muslim outfit is like sipping from a poisoned chalice. The reports mention that Palestinians and Israeli Arabs are flocking to the Islamic State in Iraq.
Yet, Iran is already involved in the war against the IS. Iran will find itself between the rock and a hard place once the US attacks on targets inside Syria commence, which is a matter of time only. Obama won’t bend to take permission from President Bashar Al-Assad before taking military action inside Syria. Where does that leave Tehran?
The Saudi daily Asharq Al-Awsat, which is close to the royal family, carried a column Sunday attributed to a top establishment figure insisting that the Syrian opposition should be in the vanguard of the fight against the islamic State. But then, the catch is that the Syrian opposition “cannot turn its full attention to ISIS [Islamic State] and its affiliates without abandoning its primary mission of overthrowing the Assad regime”.
Of course, all this is unfolding against the backdrop of the next round of talks between Iran and the six world powers due to begin in New York on September 18. The Iranian officials have been cautiously optimistic about the forthcoming talks.
Meanwhile, until things clarify, Iran will continue to talk in two voices. A senior lawmaker was quoted today as saying in Tehran that the Islamic State is a creation of the US, israel and Saudi Arabia. On the other hand, after a meeting in Tehran with his counterpart from Denmark (a member of the US’s “core coalition”), Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif underscored that the islamic State can be effectively countered only through international cooperation.
What lies ahead? Indeed, Obama needs to keep the Israeli lobby off his back. Israel’s Strategic Affairs Minister Yuval Steinitz is due to hold consultations in Washington focusing on Iran. Therefore, despite the convergence of interests with Tehran over Iraq’s security and stability, and notwithstanding the fact that the Islamic State is a common enemy, Obama cannot formally invite Iran into the “coalition of the willing.”
On the other hand, without a credible Muslim Middle East entity joining Obama’s “coalition of the willing”, the whole enterprise might end up looking like a 21st century Crusade. Thus, Obama wants Iran in, but cannot have it openly. In sum, it suits Tehran too to be seen standing outside Uncle Sam’s tent, albeit looking in. If things don’t go well, Iran always has the option to look away. For once, Iran and the Gulf Arabs are on the same page.

Posted in Diplomacy, Politics.

Tagged with Iraq, Islamic State, Syria.

By M K Bhadrakumar – September 8, 2014
 

broadsword

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I think it is a good thing Israel is spared from the enlistment, as otherwise, the plot will thicken.
 

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The unlikely coalition of Kurdish peshmerga fighters, Shi'ite militias and the U.S. air force won a major victory when it broke a siege of the Shi’ite Turkman town of Amerli last week and drove Islamic State from 25 nearby Sunni towns and villages.But the aftermath is far from what the Americans envisioned. Smoke now rises from those Sunni villages, where some houses have been torched by Shi'ite militia. Others are abandoned, the walls daubed with sectarian slogans.

“There is no way back for them: we will raze their homes to the ground,” said Abu Abdullah, a commander of the Shi’ite Kataib Hizbollah militia in Amerli. The area is now held by Kurdish peshmerga and Shi’ite militia, who have become the most powerful forces on the ground, rather than the Iraqi army, whose northern divisions collapsed this summer when Islamic State attacked. By the time IS was expelled from around Amerli, many Sunni civilians had fled, fearing for their lives. They have few places to go and are too frightened to return.

"If a regular army were holding the area we could return, but as long as the militias are there we cannot,” said a 30-year-old displaced Sunni resident of one village near Amerli, who asked to remain unnamed. "They would slaughter us on the spot." He admitted some villagers had supported IS, but said it was only one or two for every 70 to 80 households, and that the rest were innocent civilians who were too scared to stand against the militants or had nowhere else to go.

Sunni Turkman al-Muradli and his family left Suleiman Beg the day after it fell to Islamic State in June and moved to a Kurdish-controlled town nearby. A month later, their 21-year-old son was abducted. The next time they saw him was in a video on the internet captioned "arrest of an Islamic State member", which appears to show their son being beheaded by Shi'ite militia fighters.
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asif iqbal

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Well corrected Bdpopeye the verse is obviously misquoted by t2contra and people like to change the authenticity just to fulfill the agenda
 

solarz

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Isn't there a large population of Muslims in the southern part of China that are Hans?

That would be the Hui, and while they are muslim, they are not know for extremism. I suppose it's possible that this guy is an exception.
 

broadsword

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Well corrected Bdpopeye the verse is obviously misquoted by t2contra and people like to change the authenticity just to fulfill the agenda

Actually, my post was a cut-and-paste job from an internal email. I know only a little about religion because I am an atheist.
 

delft

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Actually, my post was a cut-and-paste job from an internal email. I know only a little about religion because I am an atheist.
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I'm also an atheist and know little about religion but still much more than most of of my acquantances that were raised in religious families.
 

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Ambassador Bhadrakumar on the ISIS war:
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Obama Launches His War, Finally
Melkulangara BHADRAKUMAR | 12.09.2014 | 00:00

The United States President Barack Obama unveiled in a major speech on Wednesday his strategy to «degrade and ultimately destroy» the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. The strategy has no timeline and, quintessentially, the US will pit Muslims against Muslims in a grim war through the deployment of ‘smart power’, which would ensure that American casualties are avoided. From all appearance, it will also be a self-financing war funded by the petrodollar Gulf Arab states of the Middle East.

The strategy is built on three pillars – firstly, setting well-defined limits to the actual American intervention in military terms, secondly, resuscitating the ‘regime change’ agenda in Syria and, thirdly, dispensing with any mandate from the United Nations. In essence, it becomes a repackaged version of the crudely unilateralist US intervention in the Middle East by the George W. Bush administration.

Clearly, Obama delayed the unveiling of his strategy until the public opinion in the US ‘matured’. Opinion polls show a high degree of approval rating in America for renewed US military intervention in Iraq and Syria. The gruesome killing of two American journalists by the Islamic State has no doubt inflamed public anger. But the main factor is the fear that has been injected into the American mind through weeks and months of media campaign projecting that the Islamic State posed a direct threat to the US’s ‘homeland security’. The ploy indeed worked, as the opinion polls testify. Obama’s timing is perfect, as he deftly chose the eve of the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks to unveil his strategy before the American public.

Curiously, however, with the ‘maturing’ of the public opinion successfully accomplished, Obama also took pains yesterday to scale down the fear psychosis in America by clarifying that the US has «not detected specific plotting against our [American] homeland» by the Islamic State although its leaders have «threatened America and our allies». Instead, he portrayed the Islamic State as posing threat to the «people of Iraq and Syria, and the broader Middle East – including American citizens, personnel and facilities».

Clearly, not only has a sense of proportions been introduced that calms agitated American public opinion even as the country embarks upon another virtually open-ended war abroad, but Obama has found a rationale for recruiting the US’ Middle Eastern allies in the forthcoming war. Obama’s message to the American people is simple: ‘No need of anxiety syndrome, get on with your life, let your commander-in-chief handle this.’

In return, Obama held out the assurance that the parameters of the US military intervention will be well-defined. There will be «a systematic campaign of airstrikes» at the IS targets even as Iraqi forces go on offense; US will hunt down IS terrorists and increase its support to the Iraqi and Kurdish forces fighting the IS, including providing training and intelligence and equipment; Pentagon will deploy an additional 475 military personnel in Iraq (bringing the total to nearly 1600). But, «American forces will not have a combat mission – we will not get dragged into another ground war in Iraq».

Obama underscored that the war ahead will be «different from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It will not involve American combat troops fighting on foreign soil». Instead, as the US has been doing in Yemen and Somalia «for years», this war «will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out the ISIL wherever they exist, using our airpower and our support for partner forces on the ground».

Obama stated that the US military operations directed against will extend into Syrian territory. He spelt out the strategy toward Syria, which is focused on ramping up military assistance to the Syrian opposition. Obama appealed to the US Congress to make available to him additional «authorities and resources to train and equip these [Syrian] fighters». In essence, a big escalation of the US intervention in Syria is in the offing.

Obama bluntly rejected any notions of the US relying on the Syrian regime. He called it an illegitimate regime and also vowed to «solve Syria’s crisis once and for all». Simply put, the US will accelerate the push for regime change in Syria.

Quite obviously, Washington realizes that it can never extract a mandate from the UN Security Council to bring about a ‘regime change’ in Syria in contravention of international law and the UN Charter. Obama, therefore, took a de tour and will simply chair a meeting of the UN Security Council later this month in New York «to further mobilize the international community» around his Iraq-Syria strategy.

The US claims to have so far assembled a «core coalition» of eight North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] member countries (plus Australia) to fight the new war in the Middle East. But Obama said there is need of a «broad coalition of partners». He disclosed that accordingly, Secretary of State John Kerry is travelling across the Muslim Middle East «to enlist partners in this fight, especially Arab nations who can help mobilize Sunni communities in Iraq and Syria». He chose his words carefully, hinting that the US proposes to accord selective roles for the Shi’ites and Sunnis in the campaign against the IS. The most disconcerting part, of course, is the implied intention to enlist an active role on the Syrian theatre for countries such as Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

No doubt, the enlisting of the petrodollar states ensures that money is not going to be a problem for the US in waging this open-ended war.

The New Middle East

Nonetheless, will Obama’s strategy work? Clearly, Obama’s strategy a cost-effective one and largely self-financing and might, therefore, be sustainable over a period of time. To be sure, there isn’t going to be any dearth of resources – financial or material or human – for fighting this war, given the involvement of the petrodollar states that have been pushing for regime change in Syria.

The American public may not militate anytime soon against this war, either. The American strategic community – especially, the think tankers and the media – will also be largely supportive, since this war explicitly dovetails with Israeli interests. In fact, the US is reassembling the same old axis in the Middle East, comprising Israel and the Sunni Arab oligarchies of the Gulf region. At the same time, the US will not be accountable to the UN Security Council. It is a «coalition of the willing» that is fighting this war and internal dissent within that coalition is highly improbable, which in turn would ensure that Washington kept the command and control of this war.

However, imponderables lie ahead. First and foremost, it is hugely significant that Obama avoided holding out any categorical affirmation of the unity of Iraq. He is also delightfully vague about what his expectations are out of an «inclusive» government in Baghdad.

The point is, although Washington could engineer the replacement of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, whether it still leads to Sunni reconciliation is far from clear as of now. This is important because the US strategy can work only if there is wholesome Iraqi Sunni mobilization against the IS. Or else, it may turn even uglier as sectarian strife continues to tear apart Iraq’s unity.

But then, on the other hand, this also involves the question of Shi’ite empowerment in Iraq. Suffice to say, the US needs to invent some magical formula that refines the concept of democratic principles allowing majority rule in Iraq. Put differently, this is also a war that involves nation-building in Iraq and the US’s record in such enterprises abroad has been very dismal, to put it mildly. This is one thing.

The most disconcerting part of this war is going to be its Syrian chapter. Perhaps, the US estimates that now that Syria’s stockpiles of chemical weapons have been destroyed, it is a safe bet to launch attacks on that country. Even assuming it is so, the Syrian opposition still remains a revolving door for extremist groups, as the saga of the Islamic State proves. The US has learnt nothing and still hopes to use extremist elements as instruments of regional policies.

Indeed, failure comes at a very heavy cost, as Iraq and Syria in their present form may well cease to exist at the end of it all. Of course, the really intriguing part is that such a denouement may well be the US’s geopolitical objective. In a recent interview with the New York Times, Obama himself put his finger on the unraveling of the Sykes-Picot agreement of 1916 as the core issue of the Middle Eastern politics.

Equally, Obama’s intention to recruit as allies «Arab nations who can help mobilize Sunni communities» virtually acknowledges the sectarian dimension to the conflicts in Iraq and Syria. Now, there is a complicated backdrop of regional politics playing out here, involving these every same Sunni Arab nations as key protagonists. Would Obama have some recipe to heal the regional tensions? He’s had nothing to say. Interestingly, not once did Obama refer to Iran, either.

Obama’s strategy completely bypasses the UN and, in reality, undermines the UN Charter. He failed to convincingly explain the raison d’etre of this particular variant of US military intervention in the Muslim world – unilateralist but ‘risk-free’ and low-cost – since the US’ homeland security is not even in any imminent or conceivable danger.

At the end of the day, the impression becomes unavoidable that the US continues to arrogate to itself the prerogative to violate the sovereignty and territorial integrity of nation states on the basis of its self-interests. Indeed, that this hydra-headed war is going to assume many varied shapes as times passes and long after Obama disappears into history books is virtually guaranteed.

Obama’s presidency has come full circle by reinventing the neocon dogmas it once professed to reject. On the pretext of fighting the IS, which the US and its allies created in the first instance, what is unfolding is a massive neocon project to remold the Muslim Middle East to suit the US’ geopolitical objectives. Call it by whatever name, it is an imperial war – albeit with a Nobel as commander-in-chief.

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BBC website on the US campaign against ISIS:
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This is why US aircaft attacking IS operate from the Persian Gulf:
Turkey has refused to allow the use of its air bases to launch attacks on the jihadist group.
And the other matter:
Iran has backed the government of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, while the US and several European and Gulf countries have supported the rebel factions fighting to overthrow him.
In other words the US and its friends are sponsoring many small terrorist groups to fight IS as well as the Syrian state.
It doesn't look promising.
 
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