ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

Jura said:

I presume those who follow this Thread know what's so called Rayyan Bulge ...

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... and from what I figured, in probably the most important development yesterday the Government Forces took over
"Aleppo Thermal Power Plant" (36°10'30.0"N 37°26'22.0"E) so I quickly made the graphics below; Rayyan is in the bottom (not shown sorry), and somewhere between Fah and Al-Sin the ISIL-held part is only about five kilometers wide:

Russia has just deployed its most advanced spyplane to Syria


older pictures:

Jura said:

"all" as in south to Maarat al-Nu'man?

• Doctors Without Borders info:
  https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/is...no-oped-no-policis.t6913/page-341#post-388905
• video of the attack:
  https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/is...no-oped-no-policis.t6913/page-342#post-388943
• the map with the scale, and Maarat al-Nu'man in middle-bottom:
  
  

or this was "an exception" maybe?

now I searched yandex.ru ("Russian google") for
маарет-эн-нууман сирия (Maarat al-Nu'man Syria)
and ... nothing about yesterday, perhaps I'm just sloppy, since I recall
Thursday at 3:48 PM

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Even this location is not that far away from the Turkish Border at still less than 20 miles.
Not that hard for a Air Launched Missile from a NATO standard Aircraft.

Very little stacks up in the media accounts.
The Russian Air Campaign is usually conducted using Dumb Bombs, while we are told these attacks were all with missiles.
No supporting footage of these "multiple wave attacks" has been produced which is itself highly suspicious.

At the end of the day the "official story" is that Russia is using very expensive stand off missiles to attack none military targets which are of no value, other than to the propagandists of the enemy side!
It really makes no sense.

From the Turks however, with their prestige and plans being shredded by the day - Means, Motive and Opportunity.

Can somebody post the latest Edmap of the Aziz gap?
My big computer blew up on Saturday (damn that Putin!) and my new one is still being set up (currently posting on a toy)

The last one from last night/this morning is quite something.
It shows that the SAA have closed the pocket of Misquan and Ahras all the way across to the ISIS lines, while the Kurds have sealed the territory to the North of Kafa Naya and Kafa Naslh, also all the way to ISIS lines and East of Tall Ri'fat.
This means that the Kurds are now lined up to move East to Mare.
It also means that the SAA are no longer in contact with the Rebel Pocket of the border and free to take the main troop body to the Hayyat front.

SampanViking said:

Even this location is not that far away from the Turkish Border at still less than 20 miles.
Not that hard for a Air Launched Missile from a NATO standard Aircraft.

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yeah I've been expecting something like

Jura said:

I generally don't post RT stories but here's one of them:
US A-10s bombed city of Aleppo on Wednesday, shifted blame onto Moscow – Russian military
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... this time tens of miles inside Syria, with Latakia Air Force nearby (remember
S400 in Syria - tactical and strategic implications
Thread?), your "a NATO standard Aircraft" caught ... but was it?

SampanViking said:

Can somebody post the latest Edmap of the Aziz gap?
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... did you mean this one:

SampanViking said:

Even this location is not that far away from the Turkish Border at still less than 20 miles.
Not that hard for a Air Launched Missile from a NATO standard Aircraft.

Very little stacks up in the media accounts.
The Russian Air Campaign is usually conducted using Dumb Bombs, while we are told these attacks were all with missiles.
No supporting footage of these "multiple wave attacks" has been produced which is itself highly suspicious.

At the end of the day the "official story" is that Russia is using very expensive stand off missiles to attack none military targets which are of no value, other than to the propagandists of the enemy side!
It really makes no sense.

From the Turks however, with their prestige and plans being shredded by the day - Means, Motive and Opportunity.

Can somebody post the latest Edmap of the Aziz gap?
My big computer blew up on Saturday (damn that Putin!) and my new one is still being set up (currently posting on a toy)

The last one from last night/this morning is quite something.
It shows that the SAA have closed the pocket of Misquan and Ahras all the way across to the ISIS lines, while the Kurds have sealed the territory to the North of Kafa Naya and Kafa Naslh, also all the way to ISIS lines and East of Tall Ri'fat.
This means that the Kurds are now lined up to move East to Mare.
It also means that the SAA are no longer in contact with the Rebel Pocket of the border and free to take the main troop body to the Hayyat front.

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Looks like a rehash of the chemical weapons attacks that were pinned on the Syrian government early on during the conflict, which had no military, political or indeed, any value for the Syrian government, but just so happened to have occurred at the perfect time for those champion RTP intervention.

People who were ok aiding and abetting or outright planning and organising chemical weapons attacks against civilian targets would have no qualms about shooting missiles at hospitals and schools.

The sad thing is, even if western intelligence knew it was a certain NATO member who was responsible, they are probably still going to play along publicly with the charade being created and propagated because the damage the truth would do to NATO would be too great if it ever got out.

SampanViking said:

Even this location is not that far away from the Turkish Border at still less than 20 miles.
Not that hard for a Air Launched Missile from a NATO standard Aircraft.

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plawolf said:

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The sad thing is, even if western intelligence knew it was a certain NATO member who was responsible, they are probably still going to play along publicly with the charade being created and propagated because the damage the truth would do to NATO would be too great if it ever got out.

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this Thread veers into conspiracies, I stop posting here (won't be missed hahaha) out and over

Jura said:

this Thread veers into conspiracies, I stop posting here (won't be missed hahaha) out and over

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Well the Russians are categorically denying that they had anything to do with the hospital and school bombings.

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Russia says it "categorically rejects" accusations of war crimes over the bombing of hospitals in Syria.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said "those who make such statements are not capable of backing them up with proof".

Up to 50 people were killed in missile attacks on at least four hospitals and two schools in rebel-held areas of northern Syria on Monday.

The UN said the "deliberate" targeting of such facilities "could amount to war crimes", according to Reuters.

Russia has been accused, by Turkey among others, of being responsible for the attacks.

Meanwhile, a Turkish official on Tuesday said Turkey would back a ground operation in Syria but only "with our international allies".

"There is not going to be a unilateral military operation from Turkey to Syria," the unnamed official told reporters in Istanbul.

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The Turks are accusing the Russians of being responsible.

The Russians are denying it and the Syrians are pointing the finger of blame right back at the US.

One choses to believe which side one wants, but to dismiss the opinions and claims of others as 'conspiracies' us unfair.

I hope you do continue to post, as all the stories and news you have been providing have been invaluable. But one should not wilfully turn a blind eye to things one does not like either.

Jura said:

this Thread veers into conspiracies, I stop posting here (won't be missed hahaha) out and over

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Hardly a conspiracy theory Jura as the Turks are already firing across the border . (It is a rather lazy accusation to be honest).

The key question is do the Turks have the armaments to launch such attacks from either ground or air from within there own territory, capable of hitting these targets?

Thanks btw for posting the map.

oops, made the mistake by not pressing
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plawolf said:

Well the Russians are categorically denying that they had anything to do with the hospital and school bombings.

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yeah, keep reading

Jura said:

I generally don't post RT stories but here's one of them:
US A-10s bombed city of Aleppo on Wednesday, shifted blame onto Moscow – Russian military

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... instead of

Jura said:

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and the airplane shows from 10th to 12th second; my screenshot:

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as you clearly know who attacked! (by the way: I don't, and have never pretended otherwise)

now I noticed SampanViking knows, too

I'm gone. Now.

Guys this is a hard fought war zone...and everyone knows it.

While there are some who will blame whatever happens on the US....there are also some who are more than willing to do the same to the Russians.

I have no doubt that the Russians hit the hospital. But my thoughts regarding it are these.

It's war.

If an enemy takes over a town/city and then uses it to gather, plan, attack their enemy...they have to expect that town will get hit.

If they have soldiers who are being treated at a hospital...they have to expect that hospital could get hit.

If they are using a mosque, church, or school to plan, organize, or even house...they have to expect they will get hit.

War is hell.

While I would hope innocents would not be injured by either said...sadly, they are, because of the things I just mentioned above, and also because, no matter how precise we may want to say our weapons are...they are high explosives and people get hit and killed even when they are precises...and they are not always as precise as claimed.

The issue here is whether anyone intentionally targeted a hospital or school that they KNEW was not harboring enemy combatants. That's VERY tough to prove in a war zone like this.

Doctor's without borders or not.

That particular group is are known to help anyone...and I respect their willingness in that.

But they cannot also have it both ways and pretend that when they help combatants on either side that the other side is going to ignore it and allow them to churn out fighters.

Anyhow...I also believe that both sides are willing to point the finger at the other when things like this happens.

If I were the leader, I would make the statement I made above and tell people we will try our hardest to not hurt innocents...but when the enemy mingles with innocents, the hurt to the innocents is on them because we are going to take the war to the enemy.

That is probably why I could never be elected because people today simply do not want to hear that unvarnished truth.