ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

taxiya · Nov 27, 2015

Has any one read this letter from the Turkish ambassador to the UN at the very begining of the incident?

This is something I specifically interest to hear the opinion of members who focus on "17 seconds".

See the highlighted text. Here is my calculation (1.15 miles / 17 seconds) * 3600 seconds/hour = 243 miles/hour = 391 km/h.

Two questions (based on Turkish version of the event and Turkish claim of the boarder).
1. Why would the Su-24 fly that slow in a combat manuavor? Or does the Turkish version have any chance to be true? If so, in what scenario? Landing on that speed is alright as Wiki says, but as Turkey claims it is in Turkish airspace, this can not be a landing, but a manuavor.

2. Does air-defence radar in Turkish possession that can mesure the distance and direction (therefor location) to that accuracy (around 1.15 miles and below)? Don't tell me it is the F-16 which located the distance and direction, it is too fast, it can not reach the same accuracy as stationary radar when flying fast.

cn_habs · Nov 27, 2015

asif iqbal said:
Only because NATO is exerting a huge pressure on Turkey and it's leadership to take a backward step and diffuse the situation which is the correct thing to do

What does Russia think this is, Ukraine, the Crimea or Georigoa? No it's Turkey and if you crossed despite warning you only have yourself to blame

And this was not the first time, there have been 4 incursions by Russia into Turkish air space in recent months and they have been told clearly to stop

Turkey followed international of engagement, in less than 17 seconds they down the fighter just goes to show the calibre of Turkish pilots

Two powers don't go to war, they sit down they talk they work it out and Turkey and Russia will do the same unless Russia try's to be really childish and cries fowl

Erdogan and Putin have talked on the phone the summit is not cancelled and neither one has refused to meet each other plus $45 billion in trade is at stake no one will cancel

Turk is as bold country and Russia respect it's sovereignty

Even former American NORAD general with actual military and leadership experience disagrees with you. Have you watched any non-Turkish news?

So after the incident, Turkey ran right away to NATO and UN stating that a Russian jet violated its airspace and yet Erdogan backtracked yesterday saying they didn't know the jet was Russian? Keep defending Turkey but it won't change the fact that its government has helped and funded terrorists who were responsible for the Paris attacks. Those ethnic Turkmen will now be bombed to oblivion while we can watch Turkey getting humiliated for the whole world to see.

AssassinsMace · Nov 27, 2015

It's a bad precedent. How many aircraft are violating Syrian airspace? 17 seconds is not a long time and any aircraft that flies into Syrian airspace Russia can shoot down even if they left and was in their own territory. Russia can shoot down Turkish aircraft attacking Kurds and not ISIS in Syrian territory and who is going to complain without being a hypocrite?

janjak desalin · Nov 27, 2015

AssassinsMace said:
It's a bad precedent. How many aircraft are violating Syrian airspace? 17 seconds is not a long time and any aircraft that flies into Syrian airspace Russia can shoot down even if they left and was in their own territory. Russia can shoot down Turkish aircraft attacking Kurds and not ISIS in Syrian territory and who is going to complain without being a hypocrite?

Turkey ain't flyin' into Syria, NO MO'!!!
They just shot their own objectives to hell. Whatever happens with the Kurds in Syria, Turkey will have NO say in the matter.
As it should be!
I hope the same will come to pass in Iraq.
The Ottoman Empire died of its own decadent corruption, let it stay dead!

dtulsa · Nov 27, 2015

aksha said:
S-400 system on combat duty in Syria

i hear that the RuAF is goig to deploy 12 more Su 30 air dominence fighters in Syria

Very impressive system don't think I'd mess with it to much aren't they and The S300 cold launch systems

aksha · Nov 27, 2015

Russian pilots wrote "Forgive us Erdogan!" on their anti-air missiles

Honoring the head of the Syrian AF Intelligence branch in Lattakia that supervised the rescue of the Russian pilot

there are a few reports from syria that Salma is in sigt of the syrian army in northern latakia

delft · Nov 28, 2015

asif iqbal said:
Only because NATO is exerting a huge pressure on Turkey and it's leadership to take a backward step and diffuse the situation which is the correct thing to do

What does Russia think this is, Ukraine, the Crimea or Georigoa? No it's Turkey and if you crossed despite warning you only have yourself to blame

And this was not the first time, there have been 4 incursions by Russia into Turkish air space in recent months and they have been told clearly to stop

Turkey followed international of engagement, in less than 17 seconds they down the fighter just goes to show the calibre of Turkish pilots

Two powers don't go to war, they sit down they talk they work it out and Turkey and Russia will do the same unless Russia try's to be really childish and cries fowl

Erdogan and Putin have talked on the phone the summit is not cancelled and neither one has refused to meet each other plus $45 billion in trade is at stake no one will cancel

Turk is as bold country and Russia respect it's sovereignty

Russia does respect Turkey but not the current Turkish government. There must be a stop to Turkish support for terrorists in Syria.

Jura The idiot · Nov 28, 2015

aksha said:
Russian pilots wrote "Forgive us Erdogan!" on their anti-air missiles

...

I'm not going to nitpick (again

but they used his first name (Реджеп) (I didn't know his first name, and the text on the missile is прости нас but not Эрдоган, so I checked)

aksha said:
there are a few reports from syria that Salma is in sigt of the syrian army in northern latakia

care to post links? asking because Nov 10, 2015

Jura said:
...

are probably in Dorien, south, and very close, to Salma (in the middle);

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aksha · Nov 28, 2015

Jura said:
I'm not going to nitpick (again but they used his first name (Реджеп) (I didn't know his first name, and the text on the missile is прости нас but not Эрдоган, so I checked)

care to post links? asking because Nov 10, 2015

about his name , you are correct,

my translator/source(he posted this pic says he translated the name as erdogan
because no body knows Erdogan's first name

so they said
forgive us whatever his first name is

now its this same guy (, a syrian ),
who told me that syrian forces are closing on Salma

and i had meant to write unconfirmed reports but missed out the unconfirmed

any way these pics are from him 11 hrs ago

Pictures: Russian Air Force raining hell on Daeshi outposts and positions in Al Raqqa

and these pics from 12 hrs ago saying,

Pictures: SAA continues advancing in Northern Lattakia countryside crushing terrorists, Salma is in sight!

there were a couple of videos too, will post them

aksha · Nov 28, 2015

bajingan said:
, now they want Assad who protects religious minorities such as Christians and other minorities, allows women to dress and live as they please.
It is weird the West are helping these radicals and if anyone can't see that they are blind

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The world leader of Syria's besieged Christians has issued a heartfelt plea to the West to "stop arming and supporting terrorist groups that are destroying our countries and massacring our people."

The Patriarch of Antioch, Moran Mor Ignatius Aphrem II, said he was not asking the West for military intervention to defend Christians.

If the West wants to do something about the present crisis, the most effective thing would be to support local governments, which need sufficient armies and forces to maintain security and defend respective populations against attacks.

"State institutions need to be strengthened and stabilised. Instead, what we see is their forced dismemberment being fuelled from the outside," he told Vatican Insider.

Patriarch Aphrem, head of the Syrian Orthodox Church, said the most blasphemous thing a person can do is to call suicide bombers "martyrs".

"Throughout its journey through history the Church has also been a suffering Church," he added. Speaking in the days after meeting the Pope in Rome, he had just returned from Qamishli, his home town, where he met thousands of new Christian refugees who fled after Islamic State jihadists attacked Hassake, in Jazira province.

Islamic State terrorists who die while carrying out their atrocities regard such deaths as martyrdom. They believe it secures them passage to paradise.

The Patriarch contradicted this view. He said: "Martyrdom is not a sacrifice offered to God, like those sacrifices which are offered to pagan gods. Christian martyrs do not seek martyrdom to demonstrate their faith. And they do not wilfully shed their blood in order to obtain God's favour or some other prize, like Paradise."

Along with bishops of his church he recently had talks with President Assad of Syria. "President Assad urged us to do everything in our hands to prevent Christians from leaving Syria. 'I know you are suffering,' he said, 'but please don't leave this land, which has been your home for thousands of years, even before Islam came.' He said that Christians will also be needed when the time comes to rebuild this devastated country."

He said the majority of Syrian citizens support Assad's government and have always supported it.

"We recognise legitimate rulers and pray for them, as the New Testament teaches us. We also see that on the other side there is no democratic opposition, only extremist groups. Above all, we see that in the past few years, these groups have been basing their actions on an ideology that comes from the outside, brought here by preachers of hatred who have come from and are backed by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Egypt. These groups receive arms through Turkey too, as the media have shown us."

He said Islamic State was not the Islam that Syrians have learned about and lived alongside for hundreds of years. "There are forces that fuel it with arms and money because it is useful in what Pope Francis calls the 'war fought piecemeal'. But all this also draws on a perverse religious ideology that claims to be inspired by the Koran."

ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

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