ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

plawolf said:

I do not trust their analysis much (although the Guardian is generally ok), but unless you have evidence that the western media would outright fabricate direct quotes from world leaders, I have no idea why anyone would take issue to using them as a source for such information.

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"The S-400 is an air defense system. The reason we didn't have the system in Syria is because we thought our planes were flying at high enough altitudes where a terrorist could not reach them; they don't have weapons capable of downing our planes at the altitude of over 3 or 4 thousand meters. And We could never think that we could be stabbed in the back by a country we regarded as our ally. Our planes operated at altitudes of 5-6,000 meters and were completely unprotected against potential attacks from fighter jets - we could never imagine that that could be possible otherwise we would deploy such systems in the area protecting our bombers against possible attacks."



"We never did it because we regarded Turkey as our friend, we never expected an attack from that side. This is why we regard this attack as that of a traitor. But now we that this is possible, and we have to protect our planes. This is why we deployed a modern system, the S-400, it has a pretty long range and it's one of the most effective systems of this kind in the world. We will not stop there: if we have to we will also deploy our fighter jets in the area."


"We told our US partners in advance where, when at what altitudes our pilots were going to operate. The US-led coalition, which includes Turkey, was aware of the time and place where our planes would operate. And this is exactly where and when we were attacked. Why did we share this information with the Americans? Either they don't control their allies, or they just pass this information left and right without realizing what the consequences of such actions might be. We will have to have a serious talk with our US partners.

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plawolf said:

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The more we learn, the worse it looks for Turkey.

Putin has gone on record to state that Russia gave the US-led coalition the flight plans of the downed Su24 in advanced.

That means that the Turks would not only have known that those were Russian Su24s, but had prior knowledge of their planned route, which likely make their ambush easier.

This pretty much strips away the last pathetic shreds of excuses and cover the Turks had left and leave little room to doubt that this was a premeditated and deliberate ambush.

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plawolf said:

Well I really wish I quoted the entire article when I first posted the link, because the Guardian has massively changed it since I last read it.

I really hate it when they do that, they very least they can do when they does such a thing is put on a note informing people that changes had been made to the original text and when it was made.

But what you are doing is desperate denial now. " No US-led coalition", really? Is that what you want to go with? Are you frigging kidding me?

Just do a search of "US-led coalition against ISIS" and see what comes up.

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Jura said:

delft you're relentless, Like for this

that's what you're saying, but why don't you comment on this quote:
"Instead of merely being a customer for Isil's oil, the regime is understood to be running some oil and gas installations jointly with the terrorist movement."
from the Reuters article (the link is in my post you just quoted) I mean what if Mr. George (by the way Jura is a regional word whose English equivalent would be George LOL) Haswani was still paying taxes to Syrian Government, for example from the facility he's built, according to his own words quoted in that article, in Tabqah on ISIL-controled territory?? I of course don't know if he does, or if he does not! I'm just pointing to another possibility (out of many I could come up with) to link him to an alleged Government-ISIL business.

they don't I think you're just using some imaginary scenario in an attempt to infer something

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