ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

Miragedriver

Brigadier
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

I doubt Iraq would switch back to Russian equipment all of the sudden. That would be major geo-politicall shift .

But if they do get some Russian jets, most likely they would be Su-24 and/or Su-25 . They are ground attack machines, relatively cheap and simple(especially Su-25), and there are pilots& technicians in region able to operate them . Already we have reports of Syrian jets attacking ISIS in Iraq at request of Maliki government .

As for older Su-27 or JF-17 Block 1 , neither of the planes is very good at ground strikes, even if they had trained pilots and ground personnel for them . On the other hand Su-30 is too expensive and complex for Iraq right now .

I agree with you a Terran. They could have a deal that includes spare parts and training. However the training of pilots and ground personnel would take atleast a year to opperate in peace time rythum. The Iraqis probably still have some people that maintained and operated the Su-25.

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thunderchief

Senior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

There is a even more interesting rumor : supposedly, Iran will return 130 Iraqi planes that fled to that country during First Gulf War . Even if this is just half-truth, it would be huge thing for Iraq

Iran returns military aircraft to Iraq after 20 years

A spokesman for the Office of the Adjutant General of the Iraqi armed forces has said that his country has returned 130 military aircraft to Iraq, which were held in Iran for more than 20 years. General Qassim Atta explained in a televised press statement that the Iranian authorities have equipped the aircraft with "sophisticated weapons".

"The planes," said Atta, "will participate in the battles against ISIS to liberate the city of Mosul from its control."

Iraq transferred an undisclosed number of fighter and civilian jets to Iran just before the US-led coalition forces launched air strikes in 1991 following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

Groups of Sunni Arabs, led by ISIS, control a number of Iraqi cities in the north, east and west of the country. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki has described those groups as "extremist terrorists". Sunni figures, however, claim that what is happening is a Sunni tribal revolt against the discriminatory policies pursued by the Shiite government of Al-Maliki.
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

The Question is how many are actually air worthy. 132 Fled the Country back in the year of our lord 1990 130 service able seems oddly high.
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
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The Question is how many are actually air worthy. 132 Fled the Country back in the year of our lord 1990 130 service able seems oddly high.

The Iranians will probably keep the Mig-29’s for themselves. They really like them. Most of the returned planes might be the Mirage F-1s and the dozen or so Su-25s. After all, look how old Mirage III are and they are still flying. Iraq may get dozen servicable aircraft out of this. Better than nothing and it improves Iran's clout in the area.
Just a thought.

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thunderchief

Senior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

The Iranians will probably keep the Mig-29’s for themselves. They really like them. Most of the returned planes might be the Mirage F-1s and the dozen or so Su-25s. After all, look how old Mirage III are and they are still flying.
Just a thought.

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It would be sensible thing to do. Although, Iranians reportedly are not very satisfied with their Mig-29s (both those that fled and those they have bought ) . These are older Product 9.12 or 9.12A versions, not very capable and needing lot of maintenance . Russia officially doesn't want to sell them spare parts, so they are struggling to keep them flying .

Iran could also send ex-Iraqi Fitters (Su-17 -20 -22 ) because they don't use them any more and they are just sitting in storage . These are relatively simple machines (almost like Mig-21) , so I guess they could made some of them airworthy in short notice .
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

As caliphate declared, Iraqi troops battle for Tikrit
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By Oliver Holmes and Isra'a al-Rubei'i
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi troops battled to dislodge an al Qaeda splinter group from the city of Tikrit on Monday after its leader was declared caliph of a new Islamic state in lands seized this month across a swath of Iraq and Syria.
Alarming regional and world powers, the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) claimed universal authority, declaring its leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was now caliph of the Muslim world - a mediaeval title last widely recognized in the Ottoman sultan deposed 90 years ago after World War One.
"He is the imam and caliph for Muslims everywhere," group spokesman Abu Muhammad al-Adnani said in an online statement on Sunday, using titles that carry religious and civil power.
The move, at the start of the holy month of Ramadan, follows a three-week drive for territory by ISIL militants and allies among Iraqi's Sunni Muslim minority. The caliphate aims to erase colonial-era borders and defy the U.S.- and Iranian-backed government of Shi'ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Baghdad.
It also poses a direct challenge to the global leadership of al Qaeda, which disowned ISIL, and to conservative Gulf Arab Sunni rulers, who already view the group as a security threat.
The Iraqi government has appealed for international help and has accused Sunni neighbors, notably Saudi Arabia, of having fostered Islamist militancy in Syria and Iraq. Iraqi army spokesman Qassim Atta said declaring a caliphate could backfire by showing that Baghdadi's group posed a risk to other nations:
"This declaration is a message by Islamic State not only to Iraq or Syria but to the region and the world. The message is that Islamic State has become a threat to all countries," he said. "I believe all countries, once they read the declaration, will change their attitudes because it orders everybody to be loyal to it."
The fighting in Iraq, the second biggest oil producer in OPEC, has contributed to a rise in analysts' forecasts for the global price of crude, a Reuters poll found. The consensus view of the average 2014 price of a barrel of Brent rose more than $2 to $108 in the course of the past month.
TIKRIT BATTLE
Fighters from the group overran the Iraqi city of Mosul on June 10 and have advanced toward Baghdad, prompting the despatch of U.S. military advisers. In Syria, ISIL has captured territory in the north and east, along the desert frontier with Iraq.
Maliki's government, with the help of Shi'ite sectarian militias, has managed to stop the militants short of the capital but has been unable to take back cities its forces abandoned.
The army attempted last week to take back Tikrit but was unable to seize the city, 160 km (100 miles) north of Baghdad. Helicopters hit ISIL positions overnight. On the southern outskirts, a battle raged into Monday, residents said.
Tikrit was the home city of Saddam Hussein, whose overthrow by U.S. forces in 2003 ended a long history of domination by Sunnis over what is today a Shi'ite majority in Iraq.
The fighting has started to draw in international support for Baghdad, two and a half years after U.S. troops pulled out.
Armed and trained by the United States, Iraq's armed forces crumbled in the face of the ISIL onslaught and have struggled to bring heavier weaponry to bear. Only two aircraft - turboprop Cessna Caravans normally used as short-range passenger and cargo carriers - are capable of firing the powerful Hellfire missile.
The U.S. is flying armed and unarmed aircraft in Iraq's airspace but says it has not engaged in fighting.
Russia has sent its first warplanes to Baghdad, filling an order for five second-hand Sukhoi Su-25 ground attack jets. The government said they will be operational within a few days.
In Falluja, where ISIL fighters have been in control for six months just west of Baghdad, a bank accountant who asked to remain anonymous for fear of retribution said the announcement of the caliphate was a "step backward": "It will only turn the government even more hostile to us," he said. "This will isolate us further from the rest of the world."
ISIL has used alliances with other, less radical Sunni armed groups and tribal fighters who are disillusioned with Maliki. Members Saddam’s secular Baath party have also fought in the revolt.
ISOLATING ALLIES
Fawaz Gerges, a Middle East expert at the London School of Economics, said he expected the declaration would alienate ISIL’s allies: “The strategic goal of the Baathists' is the capture of Baghdad, not the establishment of the caliphate.
"ISIL's pronouncement will most likely intensify the intra-jihadist struggle and widen the split between ISIL and its insurgent Sunni allies in Iraq,” he said.
The term caliph indicates a successor to the Prophet Mohammad, with temporal authority over all Muslims.
Traditionally it denotes a political and military leader with religious elements. Rival claims to the succession lie at the root of the 7th century schism between Sunnis and Shi'ites.
Following Turkey's defeat in World War One and the carving up of its Middle East empire by Britain and France, new Turkish nationalist rulers in 1924 formally abolished the caliphate that Ottoman sultans had held for nearly five centuries.
For many militant Islamists, who see a decline in religious observance and divisions among Muslims as causing many problems, the restoration of the caliphate has been an important goal.
According to the mid-20th century Egyptian Islamist writer Sayyid Qutb, whose ideas later helped form those of al Qaeda, in order to bring about a new caliphate, at least one state must revive Islamic rule - a role al Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden thought in the 1990s might be filled by Taliban-run Afghanistan.
Since the Ottoman collapse, Sunni Islam has lacked an internationally recognized clerical hierarchy. Senior figures generally hold authority within a single country. Among the most prominent of these is the Grand Mufti of Egypt, whose spokesman dismissed the new caliphate in Iraq and Syria as an "illusion".
"ISIL’s announcement of what they called the Islamic caliphate is merely a response to the chaos which has happened in Iraq as a direct result of the inflammation of sectarian conflict in the entire region," Ibrahim Negm said in Cairo.
ISIL has followed al Qaeda's hardline ideology, viewing Shi'ites as heretics, but has alienated bin Laden's successor Ayman al-Zawahri and other Islamists with its extreme violence.
ISIL's declaration could isolate allies in Iraq and lead to in-fighting. Such internal conflicts among rebel groups in Syria has killed around 7,000 people there this year and complicated the three-year uprising against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, another ally of Shi'ite Tehran.
The group crucified eight rival rebel fighters in Syria, a monitoring group said on Sunday. And in the Syrian city of Raqqa, controlled by ISIL, militants held a parade to celebrate the declaration of the caliphate.
ISIL posted pictures online on Sunday of people waving black flags from cars and holding guns in the air, the SITE monitoring service said.
Some analysts say the group is a threat to frontiers and is stirring regional violence while others say it exaggerates its reach and support through sophisticated media campaigns.
ISIL also released a video called "Breaking of the Borders", promoting its destruction of a frontier crossing between the northern province of al-Hasakah in Syria and Nineveh province in Iraq, said SITE, which tracks militant websites.
(Additional reporting Sylvia Westall in Beirut, Stephen Kalin in Cairo, William Maclean in Dubai and Tom Heneghan in Paris; Editing by Alastair Macdonald)
Decapitations, Now Crucifictions and a Caliph... welcome to the 14th century.
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
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Decapitations, Now Crucifictions and a Caliph... welcome to the 14th century.

What ever happened to basic human decency?

I imagine it has always been like this and I have been living in my illusion of a civil society too long.



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