ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

They have to get pilots first. Pilots who know what they are doing. That's a specialized role requires training. Unless the Iraqis out source to some PMC who has stick time on the frog foots or thigh a nice little bow on it and hand it over to the Iranian Air Force or Iranian revolutionary guards air force those birds are hanger queens.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

They have to get pilots first. Pilots who know what they are doing. That's a specialized role requires training. Unless the Iraqis out source to some PMC who has stick time on the frog foots or thigh a nice little bow on it and hand it over to the Iranian Air Force or Iranian revolutionary guards air force those birds are hanger queens.

You may jest, but there is a more than good chance those Su25s will end up being piloted by Iranians flying under Iraqi colours.

The Iraqis claim they want those birds ready for missions within a few days of delivery. Taking them at their word, that would suggest they already have pilots.

Iran, who has experience operating Iraqi Su25s would be a strong candidate for supplying pilots and ground crews.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Wolf, the bow may have softened it. But I was deadly serious. Handing them over to Iranian pilot's or PMC contactors is the only way I see them hitting the skies anytime in the next six months.
 

thunderchief

Senior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Scud was developed sixty years ago. It has been a military ineffective weapon already for a long time but it carries a name that is still feared due to incompetent or, more likely, false journalists.

Well, no. Tactical and theatre ballistic missiles are still very much effective if you don't have BMD . For example :
A similar development, the Al-Fahd or Ababil-100, a solid propellant version of the Al-Samoud,[7] was also used by the Iraqi army during the invasion. The Headquarters of the 2nd Brigade, US 3rd Infantry Division, were struck by a missile of this kind on April 7, while the Brigade's main force was conducting an incursion 15 km north, well inside Baghdad. Three soldiers and two foreign reporters were killed in the blast. Another 14 soldiers were injured, and 22 vehicles destroyed or seriously damaged, most of them Humvees.
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And even if you have BMD, it must be on 24/7 alert to be effective, because you have mere seconds after the launch to react.
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Well, no. Tactical and theatre ballistic missiles are still very much effective if you don't have BMD . For example :

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And even if you have BMD, it must be on 24/7 alert to be effective, because you have mere seconds after the launch to react.
Since US forces were unable to prevent the launch of Iraqi Scuds a quarter of a century ago reconnaissance has improved considerably, not only with the Americans. Scud remains a liquid fueled large missile which now needs very effective air cover to prevent destruction before launch. A modern equivalent missile would be smaller, solid fueled and much less vulnerable.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Since US forces were unable to prevent the launch of Iraqi Scuds a quarter of a century ago reconnaissance has improved considerably, not only with the Americans. Scud remains a liquid fueled large missile which now needs very effective air cover to prevent destruction before launch. A modern equivalent missile would be smaller, solid fueled and much less vulnerable.

Mind you that if the Scud is to use against the Iraqi government, that would be a completely different story.
 

thunderchief

Senior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Since US forces were unable to prevent the launch of Iraqi Scuds a quarter of a century ago reconnaissance has improved considerably, not only with the Americans. Scud remains a liquid fueled large missile which now needs very effective air cover to prevent destruction before launch. A modern equivalent missile would be smaller, solid fueled and much less vulnerable.

As you can see, US forces were unable to prevent launch of ballistic missile in 2003, it is not clear was it liquid fueled or solid . Islamists control certain areas of Syria and Iraq. There is no 100% surveillance over those areas, so it is quite possible they will hide Scud launchers (let's say in urban environment ) until they are ready to launch .
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

this looks like to be a civil war with no ending in sight. the only way to defeat the ISIS is a full scale military invasion of Iraq again by the US. this time they can flush out all the ISIS and keep them out of Iraq by actually building borders which they can't seep in. but that is politically impossible for any American politician whether its Obama or anyone who becomes president after Obama. those 300 military advisers now increased to 500 are not enough, that sounds more like reinforcements to fortify the green zone and protect the Vatican sized American embassy in Iraq. only the US military in a full scale invasion can do the job no one else.
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

A very interesting blog post from Ambassador Bhadrakumar:
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Iran preparing to vanquish ISIL

After a week-long lull, almost, Tehran has shifted gear in its rhetoric and approach to the crisis in Iraq and Syria. The innuendos and dark hints in the Iranian statements so far have given way to open criticism of the Saudi Arabian backing for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant [ISIL].

Two prominent members of the Majlis commission on foreign and security policies lashed out at Riyadh — “Saudi Arabia is the spiritual, material and ideological supporter of the ISIL and the Saudi King had tasked the country’s former intelligence chief [Prince Bandar] with a special mission to support the ISIL.” (Mohammad Hassan Asafari).
It is extremely rare that King Abdullah is nailed by name in an Iranian statement. Again, another prominent MP Mohammad Saleh Jokar implicitly warned Riyadh that it is throwing stones from a glass house — “Instead of interfering in Iraq’s affairs and implementing the US plots, Saudi Arabia had better deal with its own internal affairs.” The Iranian line is that the succession struggle in the Saudi royal family is becoming acute.
Significantly, Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei repeated an expression which was coined by Imam Khomeini in the early years of the Iranian revolution to refer to Saudi Arabia as a poodle of the US and a covert accomplice of Israel. Khamenei said while addressing a group of Quran reciters in Teheran on Sunday that there is a difference between “American Islam” and true Islam — “The American Islam, despite having Islamic appearance and name, complies with despotism and Zionism… and totally serves the goals of Zionism and the US.”
Meanwhile, the open support expressed by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to the idea of an independent Kurdistan state in northern Iraq — apart from the visits by the US secretary of state John Kerry and the British Foreign Secretary William Hague to Erbil last week — have alerted Tehran to the calibrated Anglo-American strategy (with Israeli participation) to create a petrodollar state right on Iran’s western borders.
Tehran closely monitors the strong Israeli intelligence presence in Erbil. In a rare statement, Tehran has frontally challenged the emergence of an independent Kurdistan. DFM Hossein Amir Abdollahian counseled the Kurdish leadership that it will be unwise to pursue secession. A prominent MP criticized Iraqi Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani by name and his stated intentions to annex Kirkuk.
Barzani is close to Israeli intelligence. The heightened Israeli intelligence activity in Kurdistan region and the move by Netanyahu to wade into intra-Iraqi differences would partly explain the emergent possibility that Tehran may consider resuming assistance for Hamas.
Tehran’s ties with Hamas atrophied in the recent years following Khaled Mashaal’s catastrophic decision to leave Damascus and take up residence in Doha, aligning himself with the regional countries that were pushing for regime change in Syria. No doubt, Mashaal is a sadder and wiser man today, as apparent from his letter to Iranian President Hassan Rouhani seeking help.
Furthermore, Tehran has made an important move on the diplomatic front. DFM Abdollahian left for Moscow in the weekend for consultations with his Russian counterpart regarding the Iraq-Syria developments, especially the need to frustrate the US strategm.
A high degree of Russian-Iranian coordination is apparent at the talks in Moscow. To be sure, Iran welcomes the Russian move to rush jet aircraft and military advisors to Baghdad. The objective of the two countries will be to deny Washington the prerogative to dictate terms to the Iraqi government.
Interestingly, Moscow responded to the request for help from the incumbent prime minister Nouri al-Maliki, notwithstanding the desperate attempts by Washington to remove him from power and replace him with a pliant figure as the head of government in Baghdad. The Western media have written off Maliki as a burnt-out case, but Moscow and Tehran could be seeing things differently.
Again, Tehran has concluded that the ISIL saga in Iraq is a covert US-Saudi enterprise and Qatar has been cut out of it. (The Saudi-Qatari ties are in a state of chill.) The cabal that met Kerry in Paris on June 26 to discuss the road map for Iraq and Syria included Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Jordan, but Qatar was conspicuous by its absence.
Thus, Rouhani picked up the phone and had a discussion regarding Iraq and the ISIL challenge with the Emir of Qatar on Sunday. Rouhani proposed that Iran and Qatar should join hands to fight terrorism in Iraq. Equally, Tehran has reiterated its support for Syria’s Bashar in a phone call by Iran’s First Vice-President Eshaq Jahangiri to Syrian prime minister Wael al-Halqi on Monday.
The upshot of these moves on the diplomatic front is that Iran hopes to deal a crushing defeat on the ISIL. A mobilization to this end is clearly underway. Iran will not allow the victory in Syria to be challenged by the defeated parties via the ISIL push in Iraq; nor will it countenance any reversal of the Shi’ite empowerment in Iraq through a backdoor ‘Balkanisation’ of the country. In sum, Teheran is not prepared to compromise on its vital interests and core concerns in Syria and Iraq simply because the P5+1 and Iran talks on the nuclear issue is nearing homestretch.
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Tagged with Iraq, ISIL, Kurdistan, Syria.

By M K Bhadrakumar – July 1, 2014
This accords well with the Su-25's being piloted and served by Iranians.
It would be prudent for Turkey to change sides, from Saudi Arabia to Iran. Can Erdogan do this?
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

One simple strategic error enabled Isis to take northern Iraq – and we're making it again in Afghanistan

The West needs to act now, before Kabul goes the way of Mosul

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I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 
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