ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Would not be the First time a nation did that. Once upon a time before the Swiss took there vow of Neutrality in the 1500's and even afterwords. Swiss mercenaries were renowned for there fighting skills and widely used from the late middle ages until the early period of the 1800's the last remnant of that practice is the Swiss Guard who maintain Security of the Pope and Vatican.
 
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SteelBird

Colonel
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

To surpress and elimate the ISIS threst, Russia needs to bring in a couple squadrons of KA-50s. They would much more effective than just strictly Flankers IMHO.


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Why not one or two squadrons of JF-17? Z-9 or even Z-10?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

JF17 maybe, but you would be dealing with Manpad's Threats. and the biggest issue it would need to be done Now. Not ten years form now.
 

no_name

Colonel
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

What about a predator like UAV? Though you'll probably need satellites for it.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

What about a predator like UAV? Though you'll probably need satellites for it.

Predators are good but lightly armed They are fine for a Quick target of opportunity strike but some of these movements are big and demanding laying on the CAS. And today once the missiles are shot that's it
 

SteelBird

Colonel
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

JF17 maybe, but you would be dealing with Manpad's Threats. and the biggest issue it would need to be done Now. Not ten years form now.

Pakistan has at least 100 newly built JF-17 in their inventory. If the Iraqi don't mind the block-I, they can get a few squadron of them. I think Pakistan is very happy to sell.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Pakistan has at least 100 newly built JF-17 in their inventory. If the Iraqi don't mind the block-I, they can get a few squadron of them. I think Pakistan is very happy to sell.

IT takes years to prepare a infrastructure for a Aircraft and years to get pilots up to speed. Just having them on the flight line does not make them a Combat platform. You need the spare parts the bombs the mechanics.
 

thunderchief

Senior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

I doubt Iraq would switch back to Russian equipment all of the sudden. That would be major geo-politicall shift .

But if they do get some Russian jets, most likely they would be Su-24 and/or Su-25 . They are ground attack machines, relatively cheap and simple(especially Su-25), and there are pilots& technicians in region able to operate them . Already we have reports of Syrian jets attacking ISIS in Iraq at request of Maliki government .

As for older Su-27 or JF-17 Block 1 , neither of the planes is very good at ground strikes, even if they had trained pilots and ground personnel for them . On the other hand Su-30 is too expensive and complex for Iraq right now .
 

Franklin

Captain
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

PM Nouri al-Maliki maybe on his way out and Americans are ramping up their involvement in Iraq in the form of drones over Baghdad.

Support for Maliki Slips Within His Own Party as Armed U.S. Drones Start Flights

As the first armed American drones began flying over Iraq on Thursday, Shiite political leaders were locked in meetings to try to decide who should be the country’s next prime minister. For the first time, some of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki’s own party members expressed doubt that he would be a viable candidate.

Their consultations came against a backdrop of new mayhem from the Sunni-led insurgency that has upended the country and sharpened divisions over whether Mr. Maliki, leader the Shiite-dominated government for seven years, is capable of rescuing Iraq from its worst crisis since the American military left in 2011.

Also, government forces claimed a rare victory over extremists ensconced at a university in the northern city of Tikrit; nine unidentified young men were found shot to death in a town south of Baghdad; and a bomb killed at least 12 people in a Shiite neighborhood of the capital.

And a Pentagon official in Washington said armed Predator drone patrols had started flying over Baghdad, an operation meant to offer added protection to the first American military assessment teams that are fanning out in and around Baghdad to help the Iraqi military combat the insurgents.

The Predators, equipped with Hellfire missiles, will augment about 40 unarmed reconnaissance flights that a combination of manned and unmanned American aircraft are flying over Iraq each day. The armed drones departed from an air base in Kuwait, the Pentagon official said.

Iraqiya, the state television network, said Parliament would be convened on Monday, within the postelection deadline set by the Constitution. That set off an intense round of meetings among political factions in the hope of creating a consensus beforehand.

Western diplomats, as well as the powerful clerics of Iraq’s Shiite majority, have urged Mr. Maliki’s interim government to expedite a new government, encouraging Mr. Maliki to bring in Sunnis and Kurds to give it more credibility in its fight with Sunni extremists.

But he has so far refused to make any of the concessions demanded by Sunnis and Kurds, arousing alarm even among other Shiite groups. Some have tried to forge an alliance with Sunnis and Kurds to replace the prime minister.

That has appeared difficult. Mr. Maliki’s State of Law party controls at least 92 of Parliament’s 328 seats, with a variety of other parties having no more than 33 each. A 165-seat majority is needed to form a government.

Now, however, at least two members of Mr. Maliki’s State of Law bloc have publicly expressed concern about Mr. Maliki’s viability.

“It will be very difficult for Maliki to keep his position,” said Abdul Karim al-Anzi, a former minister of national security and a prominent Shiite lawmaker in the State of Law coalition. “The situation is very complicated and the talks are still far away from reaching a solution. The prime minister keeps saying he has the biggest bloc, but the others are not satisfied to see him keeping his position. Kurds as well as Sunnis are asking to replace him. The Sunnis and Kurds will have serious objections to him.”

Hussein al-Muraibi, a leader of the Fadhila party, part of Mr. Maliki’s bloc, said there was no way to recruit Sunnis to a new government without replacing Mr. Maliki. “We want to change Maliki as a good-will gesture,” he said, stressing that he was expressing his opinion. “The battle is partially political, and the enemies are using Maliki and what he did as a pretext to mobilize people inside and outside Iraq against the Shiites and the political process.”

Four other leading Shiite politicians — two within Mr. Maliki’s bloc and two in allied parties — also expressed reservations about keeping Mr. Maliki for a third term, but were unwilling to be quoted by name because of the sensitivities of the discussions.

The results of the April 30 election were certified by Iraq’s highest court on June 17, and the Constitution requires Parliament to convene within 15 days, so Tuesday, July 1, would be the latest possible date. The Parliament first selects a speaker, and then elects a president, vice presidents and a prime minister in a process that may take months, judging by previous elections.

Many political leaders and diplomats have expressed hope that the government formation could move more quickly than in the past, given the threat to the country from Islamic militants who have advanced to within less than 50 miles of the capital since overrunning the northern city of Mosul on June 10.

Once the date for Parliament was confirmed, the Shiite National Alliance, which includes Mr. Maliki’s party as well as other Shiite parties, began meeting in an effort to agree on who would fill the top positions, including prime minister, to present it on Monday in the hope of quickly forming a government.

But the leading Sunni grouping, the Muttahidoon coalition, issued a statement Thursday raising questions about whether it would even attend Parliament if the Shiite National Alliance had not decided on a prime minister, apparently meaning a replacement for Mr. Maliki, whom Muttahidoon has opposed.

Nabil Salim, a political scientist from Baghdad University, said, “It is a very dangerous period and no one knows what’s going to happen.”
Many Sunnis in particular want to see a constitutional change to limit future prime ministers to two terms. Sunnis also want a guarantee of one of the top security ministries, either defense or police, and the release of prisoners who have been held without charges or even, in many cases, after their acquittals.

Kurds want concessions allowing them to export and sell oil found in Kurdish areas, without central government permission.

So far Mr. Maliki has proved unwilling to make any concessions satisfactory to Sunnis and Kurds.

“There is no way to make any deal with Sunnis and Kurds without getting rid of Maliki,” said one prominent Shiite politician. Mahmoud Othman, a Kurdish politician who did not run for Parliament in the recent elections, was pessimistic about the possibility of a deal to replace Mr. Maliki, and warned that the Parliament might end up stalemated despite the threat from advancing Sunni militants. “That would be a disaster,” he said. “The blocs, they don’t care about the country, they care only for themselves.”

The urgency of the discussions was underscored with a report Thursday about the nine young men found dead, in Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad, a community that experienced severe sectarian bloodletting by Shiites and Sunnis in 2006. The men had all had been shot multiple times and dumped under a highway bridge, according to an official in the Ministry of Information, speaking on the condition of anonymity as a matter of government policy. Within hours, the official said, a bomb exploded in the Kadhimiya neighborhood, a Shiite enclave near an important religious shrine, killing 12 people and wounding 35.

In northern Salhuddin Province, the Iraqi Army scored an apparent success against militants of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, striking well behind the lines of the militants’ advance and recapturing the grounds of Salhuddin University in Tikrit. According to police officials and eyewitnesses in Tikrit, Iraqi warplanes first bombed ISIS positions on the campus, and then army paratroopers were dropped in to take control of it. While ISIS occupies most of Tikrit city, the Iraqi military controls a large air base, Camp Speicher, on the outskirts. Iraqi military officials said “tens” of militants had been killed and their commander wounded, although he escaped.

Senior American officials say President Obama has not ruled out airstrikes against ISIS targets in Iraq or Syria, but is waiting for the military teams to complete their assessments on both the Iraqi security forces and the Sunni militants that have swept across northern and western Iraq, before taking any further military action.

Any drone strike now would require Mr. Obama’s personal approval, two senior Pentagon officials said, and would most likely be conducted only to defend American advisers. A Pentagon spokesman said on Thursday that 90 more advisers had arrived in Iraq, bringing the total there to 180. Half will be assigned to assessment units and half to the Joint Operations Center in Baghdad. The commander of the Iraq mission, the spokesman added, will be Maj. Gen. Dana J.H. Pittard of the Army.

In Paris, Secretary of State John Kerry met on Thursday with counterparts from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Jordan, all deeply suspicious of Mr. Maliki, whom they fear is too close to Iran, which is also funneling military aid to Iraq.

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The US is ramping up its presence in Iraq the 300 military advisors are now 500 with a new "Joint Operations Center" in Baghdad. And more maybe to come. That plus the drones and manned flights talked about above means that the US commitment to Iraq is much bigger than first thought and is still growing.

U.S. military opens joint ops center in Baghdad to bolster Iraqi forces

500 American military personnel are currently in Iraq, the Pentagon announced Thursday.
Additional U.S. forces have arrived in Baghdad, bringing the total number of American service members in Iraq to 500, Pentagon officials said Thursday.

Pentagon spokesman Col. Steven Warren said, of the 500 American military personnel in Iraq, "Some of them are conducting an advise and assist mission, some are manning the joint operations center, some of them are part of the [Office of Security Cooperation] and yet others are Marines that are part of a [fleet anti-terrorism security team] platoon."

That number includes four more teams of U.S. military advisers that arrived in Iraq Wednesday evening. The military assessment teams are comprised of mostly Army Special Forces personnel and commanded by lieutenant colonels. These teams, Warren said, will fan out across Baghdad to assess the Iraqi security force's capabilities, advise and assist. They are expected to complete their reports within two to three weeks.

President Barack Obama authorized the deployment of up to 300 military advisers a week earlier in an effort to bolster the Iraqi government's response to a lightning offensive launched in early June by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS, also referred to as ISIL).

The U.S. military has also opened a joint operations center in Baghdad, as ordered by Obama "to share intelligence and coordinate planning to confront the terrorist threat of ISIL." A second joint operations center is expected to be established in northern Iraq, either in the coming days or weeks.

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SouthernSky

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Iraqi military sources said the offensive on Tikrit - the mainly Sunni hometown of former leader Saddam Hussein - was being co-ordinated with American military advisers.

Amazing what a bit of command and control can do.
 
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