ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

Equation

Lieutenant General
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

ISIS using captured Iraqi T-55 in combat against its former owner. Let's hope they don't figure out how to operate Blackhawks.

[video=youtube;mlKCZbce4UU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlKCZbce4UU[/video]

The Caption says, Army of the Mujahedeen, Kirkuk sector, using tank against government.

Even if they captured those military equipment how good are the crew and how good are they at coordinating and communicating with each other on the battlefield?
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Alternative argument-wise, perhaps that's nature's way of undoing artificial borders and states that you guys are describing. After all if we think about it, states are often only bound together by political borders and armies and currencies. I honestly feel we are about to walk into a new era of history lessons...or, lessons of the 21st century of post-modernism.

Go even further or go back in history one can use religion as a new border and form government as well.
 

texx1

Junior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Even if they captured those military equipment how good are the crew and how good are they at coordinating and communicating with each other on the battlefield?

Probably not very good. It also depends on how much training and experience ISIS had with captured Syrian tanks in the Syrian conflict. Still a 100mm shell from a tank is far more effective than a load of 12.7mm from a HMG on a technical.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Word is they captured a lot of modern Iraqi Radio gear to.The Question is still one of Training. Operating small arms and driving Technicals even making bombs is basic stuff modern coms and complex machines is another story. Even operating a tank could be considered if a member had served in the tank corps of another nation previously. But flying requires a Whole other skill set.
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

sadly Turkey is not as reliable a partner at this point. Alot of the operatives in Syria and now Iraq are still coming in through Turkey.
as to lacking a common boarder. All they need is to establish a supply route. Lots of country's have "inclusions" of other counties inside there boarders. The critical factor is the politics. The Kurds in Syria and the Kurds in Iraq are backed by different political parties. And of course Turkey.
Turkey should change sides from supporting the terrorists in Syria, including ISIS because they fought the Kurds and to please Saudi Arabia, to cooperate with Iran to end terrorism in Iraq and Syria. This would give more political and economic advantage to Turkey than continuing on the old road.
 

texx1

Junior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Talk about strange bed fellows. And no surprise Saudi Arabia and Qatar are against foreign intervention in Iraq.

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Britain and the US are to enter direct talks with Iran over how to stabilise the situation in Iraq as the country heads towards a de facto partition between Sunnis, Shia and Kurds.


William Hague, the foreign secretary, spoke by phone to his Iranian counterpart Mohammad Javad Zarif at the weekend, he told MPs on Monday, on subjects that included Iraq. He is expected to make another statement on Iran on Tuesday, amid speculation that he will announce the reopening of Britain's Embassy in Tehran, which was stormed and looted in 2011.


The US also officially confirmed that it was prepared to engage with Tehran over events in Iraq, with a senior state department official saying that talks were likely on the margins of negotiations over Iran's nuclear programme in Vienna this week.


Iraqi officials have confirmed that Iran has sent senior military advisers to Baghdad to help draw up plans to repel a militant advance on the capital.


The admission that Iranian help might be needed to keep Iraq from disintegrating came as the competing factions within the country drew up defences along sectarian lines. The US remains committed to a united Iraqi state but many in the country see a partition between Sunni and Shia areas as inevitable, with the Kurds already having the makings of a de facto state in the north.

As international pressure built on the Iraqi government, John Kerry, the US secretary of state, said that air strikes against militant forces by manned or unmanned aircraft were an "important" option that was still under active review by US commanders.

"They're not the whole answer, but they may well be one of the options that are important," he said. "When you have people murdering, assassinating in these massacres, you have to stop that. And you do what you need to do if you need to try to stop it from the air or otherwise."

The super-carrier USS George H W Bush arrived in the Persian Gulf over the weekend, accompanied by a cruiser and a destroyer both armed with Tomahawk cruise missiles.

Unlike the US administration, Mr Hague ruled out any direct military intervention, saying Britain would not take part in any air strikes, but said that an "operational liaison and reconnaissance team" from the Ministry of Defence arrived in Baghdad on Saturday. They would "assess the situation on the ground and assist the [British] Embassy in contingency planning", he told MPs.

However US officials said that any offer of military intervention would be conditional on Nouri al-Maliki, the Iraqi prime minister, drawing up a plan to heal the country's Sunni-Shia divide and overhauling its poorly-performing national army, which was routed by Isis forces.

Administration officials cited by the New York Times said President Barack Obama believed there was a now a "brief window to pursue diplomacy" as the advance of Isis forces was checked by the stronger defences of Baghdad where Shia militia are expected to stand their ground, unlike the Sunni-dominated towns of Mosul and Tikrit that fell to the rebels last week.

Officials added that US surveillance drones were flying over Iraq and that military options were being drawn up, but cautioned that identifying clear potential targets was "difficult and time-consuming".

Any understanding between the US and Iran risks further alienating Washington's traditional Middle East allies, Israel and Saudia Arabia, which already have deep misgivings about Mr Obama's attempts to forge a deal over Iran's nuclear programme.

Saudi Arabia publicly rejected any foreign intervention in Iraq on Monday, and blamed Mr Maliki's fanning of the sectarian tension in Iraq in recent years for giving rise to the Isis insurgency, a view that was echoed by the Sunni-dominated emirate of Qatar.
 
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Seeing terrorists with modern complex military equipment makes me angry. The IA is a disgrace. Even those soldiers who abandoned should be given a dog hole to crawl into.

Anyway, my dad said that ISIS was formerly funded by the US in Syria to fight against Asad. Can someone verify the rumour? It sounds terribly ridiculous to me, but I want to make sure before I tell him to stop watching whatever crap he's reading his bullsh!t from. He's basically been blaming EVERY political turmoil happening on this planet on "US and CIA", which he's been reading from either some retarded Chinese site or some crap on TV.
 

paintgun

Senior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

It is still funded and supported by US through the Gulf States with money and weaponry

ISIS and other rebel forces receive support from Qatar, UAE, and Saudi Arabia, with different vested interests.
They spent billions on these rebels to gain influence inside of Syria and to topple Assad, yet because of conflicts of interest they also fight against each other.

And of course all of this will not happen without tacit permission from the US authorities or Obama administration.

*insert right wing commentary:
Obama is a pushover and he is too spineless to pursue any assertive policies to shape the course of action in international politics.
 
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ABC78

Junior Member
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Jeez ISIS incursion into Iraq has payed off even if they're pushed back into Syria. It's almost like out Kelly's Heroes and 3 Kings ISIS has stolen a ton of gold from Iraq. They've probably capured a couple of hundred vehicles 10s millions of dollars in equipment and maybe 3 months of munitions. Wow this is crazy this has got be one the biggest coordinated smach and grabs or just the luckest battlefield trophy campaigns in a long time.

ISIS now the richest terrorist organization.

[video=youtube;Gkqcf7CQawk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkqcf7CQawk[/video]
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Re: 2014 ISIS attack in Iraq: News, Views, Photos, Videos

Turkey should change sides from supporting the terrorists in Syria, including ISIS because they fought the Kurds and to please Saudi Arabia, to cooperate with Iran to end terrorism in Iraq and Syria. This would give more political and economic advantage to Turkey than continuing on the old road.

Turkey would do what's best for their own interests, just like anyone else. I doubt Turkey would want to see a stable Iraq right now because that means the Kurds in Iraq would establish a foothold on sovereignty and could challenge them.
 
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