ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

Equation

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I am slightly more optimistic about Afghanistan than Iraq, and I don't know why.

I don't know, the Taliban like the ISIS are pretty patient. They're just waiting till the US forces are mostly or completely pulled out and an incompetent national army takes over and than they make their move.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
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@ A.S. "I wonder if there's even such a thing as Iraq anymore. "

I believe the Iraq as we know it, is very much an artificial construct anyway. Maybe its best to let it break down along sectarian lines.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
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Back in the year of our lord 2010 there was a Released US military Think tank report that predicted the possibility of a Kurdish state by 2030. Its starting to sound like a reality on the ground in Iraq. My prediction is that we will see a Kurdistan form in Iraq and Syria. Assad's Syria will exist only in part of that nation those where Assad' military has control.
Well ISIS will form a strip of No man's land running across the Syrian Iraqi boarder south to Mosul. Just north of Baghdad taking the lower portion of Iraq we will see a "Islamic Republic" tightly aligned to Iran and in-between the Kurds and The Islamic Republic will be pockets is stability and pockets of absolute anarchy. ISIS will try and push there areas of control farther and to do this the "no mans land" will be pock marked with training camps and lawless zones where people will live a mad max existence.
 
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Alternative argument-wise, perhaps that's nature's way of undoing artificial borders and states that you guys are describing. After all if we think about it, states are often only bound together by political borders and armies and currencies. I honestly feel we are about to walk into a new era of history lessons...or, lessons of the 21st century of post-modernism.
 

delft

Brigadier
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Iraqi Kurdistan and Syrian Kurdistan don't have a common border, they both border on Turkish Kurdistan. You can imagine that a common Syrian/Iraqi Kurdistan won't happen as long as a Turkish army exists.
A Turkish intervention is likely but I hope they will do it in cooperation with Iran.
 

ABC78

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Iraqi Kurd forces holding and retaking territory the Iraqi army lost to ISIS.

[video=youtube;XvImEWQpb40]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvImEWQpb40[/video]
 

delft

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Ambassador Bhadrakumar about this matter:
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Obama broods over an Iraqi odyssey
By M K Bhadrakumar

At the end of a week of fierce criticism of his foreign policies in the Middle East, the US President Barack Obama broke his silence late Friday in a formal statement at the White House in Washington, DC, regarding the dramatic developments in northern Iraq resulting in the fall of Mosul and other places to the hands of the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (ISIL) early last week.

The best part of the statement has been that Obama didn't repeat his favorite refrain that "all options are on the table" with regard to the crisis situation in Iraq.

One option at least is ruled out as of now - "boots on the ground". Obama was categorical he wouldn't dispatch combat troops to Iraq. He was clear this isn't America's war. On the other hand, he also took note of the need to support the Iraqi armed forces and pledged that the US intended to render assistance.

However, that bit of clarity is small consolation. Great ambiguities remain in Obama's statement, which put a question mark on US intentions.

For one thing, Obama alluded to "selective actions by our military", which would go hand in hand with a "challenging international effort to try to rebuild" Iraq. In sum, a long-term US military engagement could be on the cards.

When will the intervention begin? Obama clarified: "It is going to take several days", after making sure "we have good eyes on the situation there ... [and] we've gathered all the intelligence that's necessary" so that the operations are "targeted, they're precise and they're going to have an effect".

Washington has entered into consultations with other countries and by this week Obama hoped to have "a better sense" as to how they might "support an (international) effort". He stressed that "this is a regional problem and it is going to be a long-term problem." In other words, a cardinal principle of the so-called Obama Doctrine holds here - the US won't go in as lone ranger; a coalition of the willing becomes necessary.

The Iraqi Spring
Obama singled out the ISIL as the sole protagonist threatening Iraq and "eventually" American interests as well. But it becomes difficult to believe that with all the intelligence inputs at his command, Obama is unaware of what is almost universally understood by now, namely, that there are many fish in the Mosul pond and ISIL is only one of them.

The point is, erstwhile Ba'athist factions, army officers who had served under Saddam Hussein, disaffected Sunni tribal-sectarian groups, and others have been converging for sometime politically, and they have taken help from the Takfiri groups like the ISIL and Ansar al-Sunna which have well-trained fighters.

Eyewitness accounts from Mosul spoke of "foreign fighters" as having led the initial assault, who were soon replaced by Iraqi militias. If only Obama were to scan through the print media, he could have had a better picture of what really happened. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki wasn't really far off the mark to say there has been "deception".

Former Iraqi vice-president Tariq al-Hashimi, who has been living in exile in Turkey and Qatar, even hailed the fall of Mosul as the "Iraqi Spring". Quite obviously, the coup in Mosul has powerful foreign backers, too, and it so happens that they could be countries that financed, aided and abetted the Syrian conflict as well.

It will be the mother of all ironies if Obama invites these very same regional states to join the "challenging international effort" to stabilize Iraq and to try to rebuild that country.

Yet, Obama sees only the ISIL on his sights. This is the most intriguing part of his statement insofar as once a US military intervention in Iraq begins in some form in the coming days, the ISIL might well become the perfect alibi to extend that operation into Syria at some stage.

A US military operation in the Sunni heartlands of northern Iraq would most certainly mean the disruption of Iran's communication links with Syria.

Significantly, Obama said in his statement that the ISIL "could pose a threat eventually to American interests as well"; that there has been a spillover from Syria; and that the ISIL is "part of the reason" why the US remains engaged with the Syrian opposition.

Secondly, Obama repeatedly harped on a failure of leadership in Baghdad by calling attention to the rise of sectarianism in Iraq as the underlying factor of instability. No doubt, he is spot on by underscoring that "in the absence of accommodation among the various factions inside of Iraq, various military actions by the United States, by any outside nation, are not going to solve those problems over the long term and not going to deliver the kind of stability that we need."

Having said that, the hydra-headed beast of sectarianism in Iraq was created only by the US - in much the same way that Imperial Britain promoted Hindu-Muslim animosities in the Indian subcontinent in a strategy of divide-and-rule - as the antithesis of the pluralism and diversity of Iraqi society with the intent to uproot the entrenched Saddam-era Iraqi nationalism, which the occupation forces dreaded.

Of course, there is nothing like it if a way could be found for genuine reconciliation in Iraq by delivering that country from the shackles of its present constitution resting on its present confessional foundations (which is also a legacy of the US occupation) and declaring the country to be a truly secular state.

But, alas, the probability of that happening is low, since the sectarian political process today is so far advanced and the sectarian and ethnic polarization is so very exacerbated - not only on Sunni-Shia lines but also in terms of the Kurdish identity, thanks to the US policies since the Iraq War in 1991.

The Iraqis may well find some degree of political equilibrium eventually in their confessional politics - as happened in Lebanon - but the danger today lurks somewhere else. The hard reality is that the coup in Mosul opens the door wide to outside intervention - not only in terms of projection of power by regional powers but also interference by the US, Western powers and even Israel.

Permanent interests
Mosul is an extremely complicated jigsaw puzzle that history bequeathed to the region. For Turkey, Mosul is the gateway to Diyarbakar, and its loss signifies the "unfinished business" of the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire and complicated the Kurdish question.

That dozens of Turks are being held hostage, including the Turkish consul-general, after last week's upsurge in Mosul is no accident.

Curiously, taking advantage of the fall of Mosul to the ISIL, the Kurdish Peshmerga owing allegiance to Massoud Barzani occupied Kirkuk (where the great oil fields of northern Iraq lie.) It is simply out of the question that the Peshmerga would willingly vacate Kirkuk.

Nor is it likely that in the foreseeable future, a superior Iraqi military force would be capable of dislodging from Kirkuk the Peshmerga, who number anywhere around a quarter million battle-hardened fighters.

In short, Kurdistan, which is politically the most cohesive region of Iraq, has just landed a fantastic bounty that promises to make it a very rich country. Now, there is no gainsaying the fact that Kurdistan is also a playpen for many foreign powers, starting from the US and Turkey. Enter geopolitics.

Simply put, Obama has consciously sidestepped the real issues that have surged in last week's happenings in Iraq. The bitter truth is that Iraq as a nation state is inexorably disintegrating into sectarian and ethnic mini-states.

What is unfolding is the culmination of what President George W Bush's hand-picked hatchet man Paul Bremer (who headed the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad 2003-2004) perpetrated on the Iraqi people by developing with chicanery and implementing with deliberation the present constitution based on a political system that represents confessional affiliations with a view to snuff out Iraqi nationalism.

On June 28, 2004 Bremer said in his farewell speech as he formally transferred to the Iraqi interim government the country's limited sovereignty, "A piece of my heart will always remain here in the beautiful land between the two rivers." He spoke for America.

Iraq's dysfunctional democracy virtually guarantees a comeback by the US to that country. For sure, the US is on a comeback trail within five years of the Iraqi people evicting the American occupation forces. But there are the 'known unknowns" in the evolving situation, which explain the caveats in Obama's statement.

Principally, the fall of Mosul becomes one more fault line in the Saudi-Iranian rivalry. And Obama is treading warily, given both the recent slide in the US-Saudi ties as well as the present delicate stage of Washington's engagement with Tehran over the nuclear issue.

Again, it is unthinkable that Turkey could remain impassive in a geopolitical flux where Mosul's future - and the Kurdish question - is being choreographed once again. The British were the arbiters a century ago while the US may have replaced it today, but the Turkish interests remain constant.

According to Turkish media reports, when Prime Minister Recep Erdogan tried to speak to Obama regarding the Iraq situation, it was Vice-President Joe Biden who returned the call.

Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar served as a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for over 29 years, with postings including India's ambassador to Uzbekistan (1995-1998) and to Turkey (1998-2001).

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Blair says he is not guilty. I think he and his companion in crime should be brought for the International Criminal Court in The Hague.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
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Iraqi Kurdistan and Syrian Kurdistan don't have a common border, they both border on Turkish Kurdistan. You can imagine that a common Syrian/Iraqi Kurdistan won't happen as long as a Turkish army exists.
A Turkish intervention is likely but I hope they will do it in cooperation with Iran.

sadly Turkey is not as reliable a partner at this point. Alot of the operatives in Syria and now Iraq are still coming in through Turkey.
as to lacking a common boarder. All they need is to establish a supply route. Lots of country's have "inclusions" of other counties inside there boarders. The critical factor is the politics. The Kurds in Syria and the Kurds in Iraq are backed by different political parties. And of course Turkey.
 

aksha

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Sunni Militants Capture Iraqi City Near Syria
BAGHDAD: Sunni militants captured a strategic northern Iraqi city along the highway to Syria on Monday, sending thousands of residents from an ethnic minority fleeing for safety and moving closer to their goal of linking areas under their control on both sides of the border.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday that American drone strikes are an option in a bid to halt the dramatic sweep by insurgents over a swath of Iraq. He also said the Obama administration is willing to talk with Iran and does not rule out potential military cooperation between the two rivals to stop the rampage.

Already, the commander of Iran's elite Quds Force, Gen. Ghasem Soleimani, is in Iraq, consulting with officials on how to roll back the al-Qaida-breakaway group leading the insurgent charge, known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, Iraqi security officials said. They said the U.S. government was notified in advance of Soleimani's visit.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media, also said that U.S. aircraft have in recent days flown reconnaissance missions over Iraq to gather intelligence on the militants' positions.

Soleimani has been inspecting Iraqi defenses and reviewing plans with top commanders and Iranian-backed Iraqi Shiite militias, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the visit. He set up an operations room to coordinate militias.

He also visited the holy cities of Najaf and Karbala south of Baghdad, home to the most revered Shiite shrines, and areas west of Baghdad where government forces have faced off with Islamic militants for months. The Islamic State has threatened to march to Baghdad, Karbala and Najaf.

Soleimani is one of the most powerful figures in Iran's security establishment. His Quds Force is a secretive branch of Iran's Revolutionary Guard involved in external operations. In the mid-2000s', it organized Shiite militias in a campaign of deadly violence against U.S. troops in Iraq, according to American officials. More recently, it has been involved in helping Syria's President Bashar Assad in his fight against Sunni rebels.

The militants' capture of Tal Afar on Monday was a key prize, as it sits on a main highway between the Syrian border and Mosul, Iraq's second largest city, which the Islamic State captured last week.

At the same time, further south, Islamic State fighters were battling Monday with government troops at Romanah, a village near another of Iraq's main border crossings into Syria in Sunni-majority Anbar province, according to a security official in Baghdad who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

The Islamic State already controls territory in Syria in several regions abutting the Iraqi border. Its fighters move relatively freely along with money, weapons equipment across the porous, unprotected desert border. But seizing an actual border crossing would be a major symbolic gain for the group as it tries to carve out an enclave bridging the two countries.

Tal Afar, a city of 200,000 located 420 kilometers (260 miles) northwest of Baghdad, is dominated by ethnic Turkomen, who are both Sunni and Shiite. That raises fears of new atrocities by Islamic State fighters, who brand Shiites as heretics.

Over the weekend, the group posted graphic photos purporting to show its fighters executing scores of Iraqi soldiers captured when it overran other areas the past week.

Tal Afar Mayor Abdulal Abdoul told The Associated Press that the city was taken just before dawn. One resident, Hadeer al-Abadi, said militants in pickup trucks mounted with machine guns and flying black jihadi banners were roaming the streets as gunfire rang out.

Fighting in the city began Sunday, with Iraqi government officials saying that Sunni fighters were firing rockets seized from arms depots around Mosul. They said the local garrison suffered heavy casualties and the main hospital was unable to cope with the wounded, without providing exact numbers.

The local security force fled before dawn, and local tribesman who continued to fight later surrendered to the militants, said al-Abadi as he prepared to head out of town with his family.

Another resident, Haidar al-Taie, said a warplane was dropping barrels packed with explosives on militant positions inside the city on Monday morning and many Shiite families had left the town shortly after fighting broke out on Sunday.

"Residents are gripped by fear and most of them have already left the town for areas held by Kurdish security forces," al-Abadi said. The city lies just south of the self-rule Kurdish region and many residents were fleeing to the relatively safe territory, joining an influx of refugees from Mosul and other areas that have been captured by the militants.

Some 3,000 others from Tal Afar fled west to the neighboring town of Sinjar.

Throughout the past decade since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, Tal Afar was often hit by car bombings and other attacks by Sunni militants, targeting its Turkomen minority. At one point, after a major American offensive to drive out insurgents, then-President George W. Bush in 2006 declared Tal Afar a success story that shows "the outlines of the Iraq that we and the Iraqi people have been fighting for ... A free and secure people are getting back on their feet."

Since last Monday, Islamic State fighters and their insurgent allies have swept down from Mosul capturing a swath of territory at least 120 miles (200 kilometers) long toward Baghdad, and they vow to assault the capital itself. The stunning turn of events in Iraq, 2 ½ years after the U.S. military withdrew from the country is threatening long-established borders and raising alarm in Washington, Turkey and other neighboring countries.

Perhaps no greater sign of the alarm is the fact that the United States would consider working with Iran against the insurgents — despite years of efforts to limit influence by the neighboring Shiite-dominated powerhouse in Iraq.

Iran now could take a similar role in Iraq that it plays in Syria, where its support — along with that of Iraqi and Lebanese Shiite fighters on the ground — has been crucial to Assad's survival.

Kerry said Monday in an interview with Yahoo! News that Washington is "open to discussions" with Tehran if the Iranians can help end the violence and restore confidence in the Iraqi government.

Kerry also said that U.S. drone strikes "may well" be an option.

U.S. officials said earlier there is a possibility that a senior American diplomat may discuss Iraq with an Iranian delegation at nuclear talks in Vienna.

Iranian-backed Iraqi Shiite militias, along with thousands of other volunteers, joined Iraq's security forces to prepare for what Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki — a Shiite close to Iran — has vowed to be a fight to liberate every inch of Iraqi territory from the insurgents.

Militants on Monday ambushed a vehicle carrying off-duty soldiers to Samarra, a city north of Baghdad that is a key battleground with the militants and is home to a much revered Shiite shrine. Six soldiers were killed and four wounded in the attack, a government official said.

Security has been tightened around Baghdad, particularly on its northern and western edges, and food prices have dramatically gone up because of the transportation disruptions on the main road heading north from the capital.

Thousands of Shiites are already heeding a call from their most revered spiritual leader, the Iranian-born Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, to take up arms against the Sunni militants.

"We will march and liberate every inch they defaced, from the country's northernmost point to the southernmost point," al-Maliki told volunteers on Sunday. The volunteers responded with Shiite chants.

On Monday, Interior Ministry spokesman, Brig. Gen. Saad Maan Ibrahim, told a press conference that Iraqi security forces killed 56 "terrorists" and wounded 21 in operations just outside the capital over the last 24 hours. He made no mention of Tal Afar and left without taking any questions.

Security at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad also was strengthened and some staff members were sent elsewhere in Iraq and to neighboring Jordan, the State Department said Sunday.

The State Department also issued a travel warning for Iraq on Sunday night, which cautioned U.S. citizens to avoid "all but essential travel to Iraq." The warning said the Baghdad International Airport was "struck by mortar rounds and rockets" and the international airport in Mosul also has been targeted.

However, a senior Baghdad airport official, Saad al-Khafagi, denied that the facility or surrounding areas have been hit. State-run Iraqiya television also denied the attack, quoting the Ministry of Transport.
just saw in news that 1700 soldiers who surrendered were shot in cold blood,uss george bush in the persian gulf ,i wonder how long till drone or fighter jet strikes
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texx1

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ISIS using captured Iraqi T-55 in combat against its former owner. Let's hope they don't figure out how to operate Blackhawks.

[video=youtube;mlKCZbce4UU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlKCZbce4UU[/video]

The Caption says, Army of the Mujahedeen, Kirkuk sector, using tank against government.
 
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