Is there any possibility of an EU-style union or arrangement between China, Japan, and South Korea in the future?

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hullopilllw

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Former Japanese PM Yukio Hatoyama tried to propose the exact thing in title : 亚洲新道路(
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China and Japan to resolve their historical disputes, then together lead a peaceful development for Asia. His effort only went as far as leading a huge cabinet team for a visit to Beijing, before the right wing nationalists and the US topple him down from the PM seat.
 

Gatekeeper

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All the time Japan is in denial. There's little chance s EU style happening in Asia.


Japan pledges to remove 'comfort woman' statue in Berlin
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Germany-based civic group Korea Verband has placed a comfort woman statue -- similar to this one in  Seoul -- in Berlin. File Photo by Keizo Mori/UPI


Sept. 29 (UPI) -- The Japanese government vowed to get rid of a newly erected "comfort woman" statue in Berlin, a day after activists in Germany held an inauguration ceremony for the symbol of Japanese wartime exploitation of young women from the Korean Peninsula.

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silentlurker

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Germany has a GDP of 3.4T, EUs GDP is 13T.

China's GDP is 15T, SK at 1.6T, Japan at 5.4T.

It's hard to imagine any kind of economic or political venture as a group not completely controlled by China.
 

AssassinsMace

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I'll tell you when they come begging to China. When the US goes down especially if it's from their own arrogance. Countries that can't live by their own means in order to maintain a modern lifestyle need to export their goods. This ain't a hundred years ago where they think they don't have to worry about their victims attacking their homelands. They're going to get nuked this time. Nukes are the great equalizer. If one is planning to seize control of the world, they're going to get nuked by someone. If you're not planning to take over the world, then you have nothing to worry about. The US wants to portray China as planning to take over the world. That's because they have to divert attention from their history of it. The number of US drone strikes alone covers something like at least three a day for tens years. China hasn't dropped a bomb on another country in forty years. So who do you think is more likely to use military aggression to get what they want? Who wants to change the other more when they think their values are what's best...? It's the same thing they wanted to do a hundred years ago. Is it because they're doing it for the good of all this time. They thought the same thing back then.
 

Mr T

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I'll tell you when they come begging to China.

Begging for what, exactly, and when? Anyone can predict events after we're dead.

The US is unlikely to simply collapse. Over the next century it may suffer a relative decline. But it has huge advantages to keep itself afloat. Much like people have been declaring China is going to collapse, the same is done with the US every so often. For the forseeable future it's wishful thinking. Moreover if the US did go down suddenly then it would drag most of the global economy with it, which would also be really bad for China.

China, South Korea and Japan could at some point enter into a trade compact, or China might be able to join the CPATPP. But it would require significant changes in how China wanted to conduct business and resolve trade disputes. Depending on how close some sort of impartial third-party arbitration would be required, which currently Beijing would not allow as a point of principle.

An EU-style political organisation would also be impossible because currently seats in the parliament and most votes in the council are related to population size. They'd have to be allocated based on the number of member states (e.g. 1/3 for each country if China-ROK-Japan), and I'm sure China wouldn't want a situation where it could be outvoted, which might require vetoes as ASEAN has.

Countries that can't live by their own means in order to maintain a modern lifestyle need to export their goods.

That would include China, which has a huge trade export surplus. What's your point, exactly? Is China going to impose trade embargoes against countries that don't sign close trade pacts? A lot of countries trade happily with China without detailed FTAs.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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That would include China, which has a huge trade export surplus.
No, it doesn't. Someone like you who makes his living by sophistry and lies should know better than to stay away from easily falsifiable statements.
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What's your point, exactly?
There's no laugh emoji big enough to express the irony here. You're the last person on Earth who should ask this question.
Is China going to impose trade embargoes against countries that don't sign close trade pacts?
Who can say, really? Once China develops and cultivates its imperialist instincts - as I'm certain it shall - trade embargoes and sanctions might simply be insufficient to express its displeasure. Recalcitrant countries might have to be bombed; you know, like how the US does it.
 

2handedswordsman

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Germany has a GDP of 3.4T, EUs GDP is 13T.

China's GDP is 15T, SK at 1.6T, Japan at 5.4T.

It's hard to imagine any kind of economic or political venture as a group not completely controlled by China.

Maybe the regulations and good will. In EU, Germany and France are dominant forces imposing an indirect indoor imperialism. For example major retail enterprises are taking over local ones in less advanced EU members while industries still stay in the big powerhouses because they can export to the "poor one's" who cannot tax anything. Poorer countries cannot compete these giants because of lack of capital and lack of the ability to devalue their currency so to build up manufacturing. Before euro currency, major players had the political power to stop minors being competitive. See the infamous Eu commission VS Piraiki Patraiki S.A. law case whitch put the tombstone to the once thriving Greek textile industry
 
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