Is there any possibility of an EU-style union or arrangement between China, Japan, and South Korea in the future?

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Mcsweeney

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@localizer American government actually protected/let off Japanese war criminals who did the atrocities of Unit 731 in exchange for the scientific research data they obtained as a result of their unbelievably cruel experiments using captured Chinese/Koreans/Russians as human guinea pigs (worse than anything the Nazis did). Such pieces of shit in the American government throughout their history; makes me rage anytime they pretend to care about others committing "human rights abuses".
 

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@localizer American government actually protected/let off Japanese war criminals who did the atrocities of Unit 731 in exchange for the scientific research data they obtained as a result of their unbelievably cruel experiments using captured Chinese/Koreans/Russians as human guinea pigs (worse than anything the Nazis did). Such pieces of shit in the American government throughout their history; makes me rage anytime they pretend to care about others committing "human rights abuses".


During "World History" class, I called out the history teacher for not teaching the WWII in the East. This was an AP (College level) class, they only mentioned Nanking and never death tolls n Unit 731.

It's obviously a well crafted agenda to maintain US-Japan relations.
 

ansy1968

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A timely article from Korea Bizwire, I think they are also browsing SDF for content :cool:

from beijingwalker (pakistan defense forum)

Majority of S. Koreans and Japanese Don’t Trust Each Other’s Leader
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SEOUL, Sept. 14 (Korea Bizwire) — With the relation between South Korea and Japan assessed as having nose-dived to the lowest point since diplomatic ties were formed in 1965, a recent survey showed that the citizens of both countries have low levels of trust in each other’s leader.

According to a survey conducted by the Korea Press Foundation with 1,742 people aged from 20 to 69 years of age (consisting of 1,000 South Koreans and 742 Japanese), the Japanese citizens turned out to have very low trust in South Korean President Moon Jae-in, while the Korean citizens also had very low trust in Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who recently announced his decision to step down.

The survey revealed that 79.2 percent of Japanese said they don’t trust Moon, while 93.7 percent of Koreans said they don’t trust Abe.

The citizens of both countries also turned out to have very low level of favorable feelings for each other’s country and people.

Among Japanese citizens, only 10.8 percent said they have favorable feelings for South Korea, dwarfed by those (56.7 percent) who said they don’t have favorable feelings for South Korea.

Among South Koreans, the share of those who said they have favorable feelings for Japan stood at 15 percent, far lower than 64.2 percent who said they don’t.

Only 11.1 percent of Japanese said they have favorable feelings for South Koreans, while 51.4 percent said they don’t.

Among South Koreans, 17.5 percent said they have favorable feelings for Japanese people, but 48.6 percent said they don’t.

As such, South Korean citizens turned out to have higher unfavorable emotion against the Japanese country rather than against the Japanese people.

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gadgetcool5

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It would only happen after Asia has destroyed itself in war, millions have died, and people finally came to their senses about petty nationalistic grudges.
 

ansy1968

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It would only happen after Asia has destroyed itself in war, millions have died, and people finally came to their senses about petty nationalistic grudges.
Hi gadgetcool5,

It's always a powerful political tool to use to rally support, right now most countries use it to deflect criticism from their bungling handling of CV19. China had learn a lesson from this and its people are more circumspect. With internet, being able to travel abroad, they have a broaden view. That is why the AMerican need to travel more to see the world not rely on social media and fake MSM for news.
 

AssassinsMace

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I was looking for that video I mentioned in my first post in this thread. Like I said Asians are the most rabid nationalists. All these videos while searching came up of Asians hating other Asians. The US and their Chinese stooges try to make it look it's only China that is hated. No everyone hates everyone. I didn't know there was a #boycottkorea by Filipinos going on all because Koreans complained about a TikTok Filipina singer who got a Rising Sun tattoo covering almost half of her arm. She says she didn't know and apologized but the trading of rabid insults have already taken place. Yeah there are also videos showing friendship between nationalities but you know the hateful voices are the ones that get heard.
 

Aperture05

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There is no way East Asian nations could get together into forming such an alliance. Politically, SK and Japan are aligned with the interests of the US and NATO, while China is obviously more interested in creating a regional hegemony. Economically, all three countries engage in high levels of industrial espionage and technological competition with each other, e.g. Japan sanctioning silicon manufacturing chemicals to SK, China's attempts to gain information into silicon manufacturing from Samsung Foundries, etc. Historically, none of the countries like each other, with the Japanese invasion of China and Korea being the most recent historical conflict, further inflamed by the downplaying of Japanese atrocities. China historically have always had strong anti-Japanese sentiments, even before the Second Sino-Japanese war, with Japan being a member of the 8 countries alliance that pillaged Chinese cities. As recently as the 2010s, there was mass anti-Japanese demonstrations (iirc sparked by Abe's visit to the shrine of war criminals), and to this day the CPC capitalises on such sentiments to fuel nationalistic fervour.

If such an alliance is to be formed in the future, it would require a massive overhaul of foreign policies from all three countries, as well as a drastic change in public sentiment.
 

Gatekeeper

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hi Gatekeeper,

Maybe its a generation thing? it requires a maverick kind of leader to move things forward. In Japan case with populace politically apathetic, all the politician need to do is maintain the status quo.

From the 3 countries, only China and from a certain degree SK , had implement drastic, political and economic reform from 1970 onward. Japan hasnt, this may partly explain the reluctant for any meaningful change in Japan.

I don't think it's anything to do with generation. Why? Because Japan has been like this with China for best part of the last 200 years. They are just paranoid about China, which is why they are "pacifist" as per their constitution except when it comes to China.

Which is why there will never be a union similar to the likes of EU.
 
It took the Europeans 50 years to form the EU starting with the loose European Economic Community and partnership. The EU was formed to collectively act as a union to independently act on European interest and counterbalance US hegemony. Even now, the EU still has many problems and is danger of failure.

China does not have same restrictions and motivation as the Europeans. In 50 years, China does not need to EU-style union to safeguard her interest and carry her own weight. If anything, an EU-style union with Japan and Korea will likely be more an overall negative for China, The best type of relationship is to have loose socio-economic partnership where each can act independently, An enhanced East Asia Economic partnership would likely be a more balanced and sustainable approach.
 
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