Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

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UK chides Huawei for equipment security flaws, but rules out Chinese state interference
  • Government-led watchdog says it can provide only ‘limited assurance’ to manage security risks of Huawei gear installed in the UK
Updated: 11:28pm, 28 Mar, 2019
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Huawei Technologies poses a major risk to the UK’s telecommunications networks because of the company’s failure to fix security flaws found in its equipment and software, according to a report on Thursday by a government-led watchdog, which ruled out Chinese state interference as the cause of those defects.

The fifth annual report from the Huawei Cyber Security Evaluation Centre (HCSEC) Oversight Board, a body set up to monitor products supplied by the Shenzhen-based firm to UK carriers, said “further significant technical issues have been identified in Huawei’s engineering processes”, which could lead to new risks in the country’s telecoms networks.

“The oversight board continues to be able to provide only limited assurance that the long-term security risks can be managed in the Huawei equipment currently deployed in the UK,” the report said.

It described the findings as being “about basic engineering competence and cybersecurity hygiene that give rise to vulnerabilities that are capable of being exploited by a range of actors”.

The UK’s National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC), which leads the HCSEC oversight board, “does not believe that the defects identified are a result of Chinese state interference”, according to the 46-page report.

Huawei, the world’s largest telecoms equipment supplier, acknowledged the issues raised by the oversight body about its software engineering processes, according to a statement from the company on Thursday.

“We understand these concerns and take them very seriously,” the firm said. “The issues identified in the 2019 HCSEC Oversight Board Report provide vital input for the ongoing transformation of our software engineering capabilities.”

It said the report proved the effectiveness of the HCSEC, which was established eight years ago by Huawei under an arrangement with the UK government to mitigate any perceived risks from the use of its equipment in the country’s critical infrastructure. Huawei’s hardware and software are tested and reviewed before being installed anywhere in the UK.

“As the report says, ‘The oversight provided for in our mitigation strategy for Huawei’s presence in the UK is arguably the toughest and most rigorous in the world. This report does not, therefore, suggest that the UK networks are more vulnerable than last year’,” the company said.

The report has come at a time when Huawei is enjoying some relief in Europe from US pressure to block the use of its equipment in the global roll-out of next-generation 5G mobile networks.

The European Commission on Tuesday ignored US calls for a blanket ban on Huawei, as it announced a series of cybersecurity recommendations for 5G mobile networks. While acknowledging US concerns, the commission urged its member-states to assess cybersecurity threats to 5G infrastructure in their national markets.

The US has been pressuring its allies to boycott Huawei telecoms network equipment, citing security concerns because of the company’s close ties with the Chinese government. Huawei has repeatedly denied that accusation.

In February, the NCSC determined that it is possible to “limit the risks from using Huawei” in 5G networks, according to a Financial Times report that cited anonymous sources.

In November last year, Huawei’s board issued a resolution to carry out a companywide transformation programme aimed at enhancing its software engineering capabilities, with an initial budget of US$2 billion.

“A high-level plan for the programme has been developed and we will continue to work with UK operators and the NCSC during its implementation to meet the requirements,” Huawei said in its statement.

Despite that commitment, the HCSEC oversight board’s report, in what may be its harshest criticism of Huawei to date, said it has not seen anything to give it confidence in Huawei’s ability to bring about change via its transformation programme. The board said it will need sustained evidence of better software engineering and cybersecurity quality verified by HCSEC and NCSC.

The board added that evidence of sustained change is especially important because similar commitments from Huawei in the past have not brought about any discernible improvements.
 

manqiangrexue

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They won't because they are technical folks and recognize what I am saying has technical merits.

Instead of engaging technically, you often resort to this type of childish outburst. Any mod respond to you would look bad. How many times you had begged the mod to ban me? For real, this is the fifth time already. They just ignored your childish act. Get a clue , Buddy.

Actually, name calling by you will get you banned eventually.

So go cry yourself a river brokenhearted.
It's not wrong that China needs to develop its own 7nm/14nm chips; we have had this discussion before and it's obviously true that China and Huawei are striving to develop their own semiconductors so that they are free from possible US interference but that's the only thing that you say. You just keep repeating this over and over and even started a new thread for it, in which you are the only poster. It's obvious to everyone and China is making these efforts so why repeat the exact same obvious line over and over? Nobody's saying that Chinese companies should rely on foreign semiconductors for any longer than they need to and you don't have to be technical to know that. We're trying to talk about news and new ideas here, not repeat old discussions/thoughts, ok?

Next time you feel like repeating this line, I recommend you go to the thread you started specifically for this and post it there... again. A collection of your repeating thoughts. That would make perfect use of the thread and by the rules of the forum, it is the most relevant and appropriate thread to post your repeats/variants of the idea that China needs to shake reliance on foreign semiconductors to anyway.
 

tidalwave

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It's not wrong that China needs to develop its own 7nm/14nm chips; we have had this discussion before and it's obviously true that China and Huawei are striving to develop their own semiconductors so that they are free from possible US interference but that's the only thing that you say. You just keep repeating this over and over and even started a new thread for it, in which you are the only poster. It's obvious to everyone and China is making these efforts so why repeat the exact same obvious line over and over? Nobody's saying that Chinese companies should rely on foreign semiconductors for any longer than they need to and you don't have to be technical to know that. We're trying to talk about news and new ideas here, not repeat old discussions/thoughts, ok?

Next time you feel like repeating this line, I recommend you go to the thread you started specifically for this and post it there... again. A collection of your repeating thoughts. That would make perfect use of the thread and by the rules of the forum, it is the most relevant and appropriate thread to post your repeats/variants of the idea that China needs to shake reliance on foreign semiconductors to anyway.
Until they addressed their weakness in manufacturing the repetition will continue in the future.

There's no way around it despite you are tired of hearing it.

So, if people are overjoyed with them being number 1 in phone sold, I need to give a quick reminder.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Until they addressed their weakness in manufacturing the repetition will continue in the future.

There's no way around it despite you are tired of hearing it.

So, if people are overjoyed with them being number 1 in phone sold, I need to give a quick reminder.

The likelihood that TSCM stopped manufacturing for Huawei is zero Because Huawei is now bigger customer than Apple If the US government boycott Huawei by cutting the semi machinery where would Apple and Qualcomm get their SOC fabricated? Because TSCM is the only game in town
So forget about your dooms day scenario. It is not going to happened They can make all kind of noises but that is about it
China is now transition to 14 nm chip so by this time next year they will working on 7nm chip
 

manqiangrexue

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Until they addressed their weakness in manufacturing the repetition will continue in the future.

There's no way around it despite you are tired of hearing it.

So, if people are overjoyed with them being number 1 in phone sold, I need to give a quick reminder.
Hearing the same thing again and again doesn't make it more or less true. You're nobody's mother; you don't need to act like you are telling a kid to be careful when crossing the street. It's annoying; you are talking to grown men who don't forget things just because they weren't mentioned for 2 weeks and don't like having the same discussions over and over again all the time with you.

Being number 1 in phone sales is a separate issue and of course people have a right to celebrate. Each accomplishment is a merit in itself, even if old weaknesses still exist.

Once again, the members here and myself would like to remind you to follow forum rules and when posting comments, post them to the most appropriate thread, which in this case is the one that you created and also the one in which you are having a discussion with yourself.
 
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Huawei reports robust 2018 revenue, profit growth
Xinhua| 2019-03-29 14:13:09
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Chinese tech firm Huawei reported robust revenue and profit growth in 2018 "despite a challenging environment," the company announced Friday.

The company raked in 721.2 billion yuan (about 105.2 billion U.S. dollars) in global sales revenue, up 19.5 percent year on year, while its net profit increased 25.1 percent to reach 59.3 billion yuan, according to Huawei's 2018 annual report.

Huawei continued to invest heavily in research and development (R&D) in 2018, spending 101.5 billion yuan, or 14.1 percent of its sales revenue, in this field.

Over the last 10 years, Huawei's total R&D expenditure has exceeded 480 billion yuan, the report showed.

Led by its smartphones, the consumer business stood as Huawei's biggest revenue contributor, with sales reaching 348.9 billion yuan, up 45.1 percent year on year.

Sales revenue of the company's carrier business remained generally flat at 294 billion yuan, while that of its enterprise business reported a 23.8 percent year-on-year growth to reach 74.4 billion yuan as the company expanded technological support to build smart industries and cities.

Guo Ping, Huawei's rotating chairman, said cybersecurity and user privacy protection are at the absolute top of the company' agenda.

"We are confident that companies that choose to work with Huawei will be the most competitive in the 5G era. And countries that choose to work with Huawei will gain an advantage for the next wave of growth in the digital economy," Guo said.

Huawei will continue to strengthen operational compliance, ensure business continuity and sustainability, and cultivate an open ecosystem where all players collaborate and prosper together, Guo added.

Founded in 1987, Huawei is a private company fully owned by its employees and focuses on providing information and communications technology infrastructure and smart devices. The company operates in more than 170 countries and regions with more than 180,000 employees.
 

tidalwave

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The likelihood that TSCM stopped manufacturing for Huawei is zero Because Huawei is now bigger customer than Apple If the US government boycott Huawei by cutting the semi machinery where would Apple and Qualcomm get their SOC fabricated? Because TSCM is the only game in town
So forget about your dooms day scenario. It is not going to happened They can make all kind of noises but that is about it
China is now transition to 14 nm chip so by this time next year they will working on 7nm chip


On the contrary, it's a strong possibility. I was watching this taiwanese TV program "Critical Moment" Their analysts predict if push comes to shove and US asking TSMC to sanction Huawei, TSMC would have no choice. Similar to UMC walked away from JHCC. In addition, US would also pressure taiwanese government to make TSMC give up Huawei.

Samsung Foundry has 7nm process, so TSMC risk losing Nvidia, Qualcomm, and many others. So it will have no choice but give up Huawei. Pressure is from both US and Taiwanese government. Taiwanese government can shut down power to TSMC fab if it doesn't obey.
 

Biscuits

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On the contrary, it's a strong possibility. I was watching this taiwanese TV program "Critical Moment" Their analysts predict if push comes to shove and US asking TSMC to sanction Huawei, TSMC would have no choice. Similar to UMC walked away from JHCC. In addition, US would also pressure taiwanese government to make TSMC give up Huawei.

Samsung Foundry has 7nm process, so TSMC risk losing Nvidia, Qualcomm, and many others. So it will have no choice but give up Huawei. Pressure is from both US and Taiwanese government. Taiwanese government can shut down power to TSMC fab if it doesn't obey.

The same Taiwanese “government” that experiences the world’s largest brain and money drain to mainland China? And is wholly economically dependent on the latter?

Taiwan doesn’t have a government (unless you live in Nauru), they have a group of people who try to balance keeping resistance alive against Beijing, pointing missiles at Fujian to deter Xinjiang style response, and playing nice economically so Beijing will still funnel them stuff despite the threats. It’s like with Hamas, except even Hamas have more countries recognizing their authority.

US is just one power piece in that balancing game. The goal of the game is to stay in power.

Entering the spat now will be throwing the game. The companies from Taiwan are about as well integrated as companies from any other province.

The moment Taipei openly shows it is compromised by a foreign government, the dozens of potential casualties from eventual rocket bombardement no longer matter.

Beijing will confiscate the factories and the stashed property of Taiwanese oligarchs. US has no jurisdiction inside China, so any help they can give to enforce a “ban” would be spiritual at best.

The Taiwanese rich will definitely not surrender their property, factories, relatives and own lives to indulge America in it’s losing war on technology.

Edit: besides, such a move against Huawei, which has the state’s tacit support or at least is not in dispute with the CPC means that China will sanction America at large in retaliation. America lacks the resource extraction technology to make high end electronics, and will be forced to surrender the entire technology sector and only fight with their agricultural and vehicle one.
 
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