Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

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A victory for Huawei as EU ignores US calls to ban it in 5G security blueprint, despite ‘worry’ about Chinese security law
  • The guidelines are a setback for the US, which has been lobbying allies in Europe to boycott Huawei over cybersecurity fears
  • Huawei said it welcomed the ‘objective and proportionate’ recommendations
Updated: 3:27am, 27 Mar, 2019
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The European Commission has ignored US calls to ban Chinese tech supplier Huawei as it announced on Tuesday a series of cybersecurity recommendations for next-generation mobile networks, in a move which was hailed by the Chinese tech giant.

Huawei said in a statement it welcomed the commission’s “objective and proportionate” recommendations.

In its guidance for the roll-out of ultra-fast fifth generation, or 5G, telecoms systems across the European Union in coming years, the commission urged member states to assess cyber threats to the 5G infrastructure in their national markets.

That information should then be shared among EU countries as part of a coordinated effort to develop a “toolbox of mitigating measures” and minimum common standards for 5G network security by the end of the year, the EU’s executive branch said.

The proposals are a setback for the United States, which has been lobbying allies in Europe to boycott Huawei over fears its equipment could be used by China’s communist leaders to carry out cyberespionage.

The EU’s digital commissioner, Andrus Ansip, acknowledged those concerns, saying they stem from Beijing’s 2017 intelligence law that compels Chinese companies to assist in intelligence gathering.

“I think we have to be worried about this,” Ansip said at a press briefing in Strasbourg, France.

However, commission officials signalled they prefer to secure Europe’s critical digital infrastructure with a more nuanced approach, rather than bowing to US pressure for blanket bans.

The privately owned Chinese company has repeatedly said there has never been evidence it was responsible for any security breaches.

“Huawei welcomes the objective and proportionate approach of the European Commission’s recommendation on 5G security,” the firm said, in a statement by Abraham Liu, chief representative of Huawei to the EU.

“Huawei understands the cybersecurity concerns that European regulators have. Based on mutual understanding, Huawei looks forward to contributing to the European framework on cybersecurity.

“We are firmly committed to continuing working with all regulators and partners to make the 5G roll-out in Europe a success.”

Huawei still faces scrutiny under Brussels’ plan. Security Commissioner Julian King said EU countries should identify and manage security risks, including by ensuring a diverse range of equipment makers and factoring in “legal and policy frameworks governing third-country suppliers.”

Countries would have the right to ban companies for national security reasons and could also agree on EU-wide measures to identify products or suppliers considered potentially unsecure, the commission said.

Commission guidance is non-binding, but EU countries often use it as the basis for joint policies.

5G mobile networks promise superfast download speeds with little signal delay, advances that are expected to underpin a new wave of innovation, including connected cars, remote medicine and factory robots.

Huawei is the world’s biggest maker of telecoms infrastructure equipment such as radio base stations and network switches. Telecoms providers like its equipment because it’s good quality and cheaper than Scandinavian rivals Nokia and Ericsson.

The issue has taken on more urgency as EU countries prepare to auction off 5G frequencies to telecoms operators. The US warned Germany, which began its auction earlier this month, that allowing untrustworthy companies to supply equipment could jeopardise the sharing of sensitive information.
 

manqiangrexue

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Canadian farmers are asking, "What should I be planting? What should I be putting in the ground?" Your extradition judges, that's what.

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Trudeau considering sending delegation to China after imports from second canola producer blocked
ALEKSANDRA SAGAN
THE CANADIAN PRESS
PUBLISHED MARCH 26, 2019UPDATED 6 MINUTES AGO
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Canadian farmers are facing an uncertain future after China escalated its feud over canola on Tuesday.

“There is a lot of confusion amongst farmers about what is able to be exported,” said David Quist, executive director of the Western Canadian Wheat Growers. China blocked canola shipments from a second Canada-based producer on Tuesday over alleged contamination issues.

A statement on China’s General Administration of Customs website said officials detected several hazardous organisms in canola shipments from Regina-based Viterra Inc. Viterra, which is part of Glencore Agriculture, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Winnipeg-based Richardson International Ltd. had its export permit revoked in March due to hazardous organisms allegedly found in the company’s product.

Since then, the Canola Council of Canada said all of its members have reported that Chinese importers are unwilling to purchase their products.

The result is uncertainty at the cusp of planting season, which begins in mid- to late-April for many farmers.

Quist said farmers have a lot of questions: “Therefore, a lot of people are saying: ‘What should I be planting? What should I be putting in the ground? Is there going to be a market for my product by the end of harvest season when it’s coming off the field?”
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
Inner & Outer Mongolia is separated by the Gobi desert. And in Mongolia “proper” there is also something of an inferiority and persecution complex towards Inner Mongolia/China. They do not actually like eachother that much despite sharing names.

Even if they did like eachother, China isn’t just something you can join. Mongolia is landlocked nation with not a lot of resources and below 3rd tier living standards. Integrating it into China would be a costly investment. The only short term gain would be the prestige of having more living room. Living room that’s useless because there’s no infrastructure on it and it’s mainly desert.
What you talking about? Mongolia the nation was part of China proper until the communists gave it up. RoC still claims Mongolia. Mongolia is only a country because the Soviets wanted to have another Republic to add to their empire eventually. I'm of mongol and Manchu descent on my mom's side, and most Mongols and Manchus wanted to stay in China.

We are all off topic. Back to Huawei please.
 

Hendrik_2000

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China's Huawei Sees Little Impact on Sales From U.S. Broadside
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By Reuters

SHENZHEN/HONG KONG — The U.S. campaign against China's Huawei is having little impact on the company's sales and it is unlikely many countries will follow the United States in banning Huawei from building next-generation mobile networks, its rotating Chairman Eric Xu said.

"Recently we are seeing a large number of countries making their own decisions," Xu said during an interview at Huawei Technologies' headquarters in Shenzhen.

While Australia has banned Huawei from 5G networks over security concerns, European Union countries such as Germany and France have indicated they are likely to ignore the U.S. call to shut out the telecoms giant.

"Maybe it's only Australia," Xu told Reuters reporters after a tour of the campus.

Xu affirmed that Huawei's revenue jumped 36 percent over the first two months of 2019 and was set for a 15 percent annual spike to $125 billion, underlining strength in its smartphone business and sales of computing and communications networks.

Huawei has been facing mounting scrutiny, led by the United States, amid worries its equipment could be used by Beijing for spying. The company, however, says the concerns are unfounded.

Xu said he does not expect the United States to intensify its attack on the company by barring sales of U.S. components to Huawei, a move that almost put its compatriot ZTE Corp out of business last year before U.S. President Donald Trump lifted the ban.
 

Hendrik_2000

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I guess Huawei is on track to unseat Samsung as the largest manufacturer of smart phone in th world via cirr
Huawei+Honor Jan. 2019 smartphone shipments worldwide:16.51 million

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manqiangrexue

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I guess Huawei is on track to unseat Samsung as the largest manufacturer of smart phone in th world via cirr
Huawei+Honor Jan. 2019 smartphone shipments worldwide:16.51 million

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Wowwww so a couple of observations:

1. Huawei is taking the number one spot while being counted separately from its Honor sub-brand, which, itself is more than half of Samsung.
2. Amid a global slowdown, every brand, Chinese and foreign, posts a decline in raw shipment number except Huawei and Honor, which are growing. This may really be in part due to inadvertent positive advertising for Huawei by America's petty actions against it giving it a global boost.
3. There is a global slowdown of 27%, which means that all those who declined by less than that are actually increasing market share. Of the top 7, in terms of market share, Huawei and Honor grew immensely. Oppo and Vivo grew significantly. Apple clawed back a bit of market share that it lost. Samsung and Redmi lost significant market share. Since the phones labelled under "other" declined the fastest at 61%, we are seeing a consolidation of cellphone supply with big names squeezing out the little guys.
4. Of the top 7 phone makers, the ones in the triple digits above Nokia, all are Chinese except Samsung and Apple. Even without Huawei, the Chinese brands Oppo, Vivo, Honor, and Redmi combined sold more phones than Apple and Samsung combined.

I really didn't think this would be the year Huawei overtook Samsung; I thought it would take another 2 years or so. Amazing job; hope it holds.
 
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tidalwave

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Words out there US will eventually forbids TSMC from providing chip manufacturing for Huawei due to TSMC using alot of US Semiconductor equipments besides ASML.
No TSMC means no 7nm Kirin processors for its cellphone.

Huawei is living with borrowed time. Everything can collpase overnight.

It needs to address it's chip manufacturing weakness.
 

taxiya

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What you talking about? Mongolia the nation was part of China proper until the communists gave it up. RoC still claims Mongolia. Mongolia is only a country because the Soviets wanted to have another Republic to add to their empire eventually. I'm of mongol and Manchu descent on my mom's side, and most Mongols and Manchus wanted to stay in China.

We are all off topic. Back to Huawei please.
I thought you should know since you are from Mainland China.
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Outer Mongolia independence was officially recognized by ROC in 1945. PRC was established in 1949. How could communist gave it up before It could rule China?

ROC's renegade from its 1945 recognition is nothing to be proud of, nor sign of its upholding of China's sovereignty. It was a shame (renegade) on top of an earlier shame (giving up).

I believe Biscuits' original post was about "(Outer) Mongolia joining China", nothing about Chinese Mongolians.

I praise your sentiment of Mongols being in China, and I do believe that is common among Chinese Mongols as I also have personal friends who is Mongolian decent or mix of Han/Manchu. But I think that is not the case among the Mongols in Mongolian Republic today. There are many anti-China incidents in Mongolian Republic in recent years. Whatever caused it (mostly the Russification during Soviet time) may be, I don't think Mongols there have much positive view on China, let alone joining. Neither do I believe they are any friendlier to Chinese Mongols, just imagine how life of North Korean defectors and Chinese Koreans in South Korea is.
 

PiSigma

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I thought you should know since you are from Mainland China.
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Outer Mongolia independence was officially recognized by ROC in 1945. PRC was established in 1949. How could communist gave it up before It could rule China?

ROC's renegade from its 1945 recognition is nothing to be proud of, nor sign of its upholding of China's sovereignty. It was a shame (renegade) on top of an earlier shame (giving up).

I believe Biscuits' original post was about "(Outer) Mongolia joining China", nothing about Chinese Mongolians.

I praise your sentiment of Mongols being in China, and I do believe that is common among Chinese Mongols as I also have personal friends who is Mongolian decent or mix of Han/Manchu. But I think that is not the case among the Mongols in Mongolian Republic today. There are many anti-China incidents in Mongolian Republic in recent years. Whatever caused it (mostly the Russification during Soviet time) may be, I don't think Mongols there have much positive view on China, let alone joining. Neither do I believe they are any friendlier to Chinese Mongols, just imagine how life of North Korean defectors and Chinese Koreans in South Korea is.
PRC basically agreed to Soviet terms when they formed government. Whereas ROC decided it was like any other unequal treaty so figured they can rip it up, they were not really in power anyway, so it won't hurt.
 

tidalwave

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can admin please ban this fool? he just spews out bullshit 24/7
They won't because they are technical folks and recognize what I am saying has technical merits.

Instead of engaging technically, you often resort to this type of childish outburst. Any mod respond to you would look bad. How many times you had begged the mod to ban me? For real, this is the fifth time already. They just ignored your childish act. Get a clue , Buddy.

Actually, name calling by you will get you banned eventually.

So go cry yourself a river brokenhearted.
 
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