Reread post 409. Off topic was called immediately after Brat's 408.
You are murdering the English language. Words convey meaning when constructed correctly. You did not call Brat out as being off topic in your post #409. I am reproducing below the full post so that there is no wriggle room.
Post #409
If you've got nothing to add to the topic, that's what the "like" button is for, Brat.
The person who says what you want to hear isn't automatically the guy who "balanced everything and came up with the truth." Seeing as how you've never been to modern China and most likely don't even have meaningful conversations with Chinese people, your opinion on the "truth" here can be completely discounted as the imagination of an old patriotic American.
And he said absolutely nothing about your false freedoms, which, for some reason, you like to allude to in every conversation spanning from J-20 to trade war...
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Your first sentence says you are calling Brat out (in your opinion) for adding nothing to the topic. That is not the same as calling him out for being off topic. The meaning of "off topic" means precisely that and is different from non value adding comments. Are you adding another rule i.e."Meaning of words according to whatever Equation says it mean"?
Perhaps you are confused because in addition to calling him for being off topic, he was called for being wrong. It was not called when it "became expedient" and you flatter yourself if you think you have made that change. Only through reading comprehension errors can you insist on what you say after my counter-arguments.
Please refer to my reply above as to whom is having comprehension problem.
The odds don't mean anything. We are talking about a specific cases and specific countries. If we were stuck at the hypothetical phase, then odds would come into play and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with what you said, but we are seeing live examples play out so to analyze the situation, we cannot gloss over the actualities in favor of "odds."
Systems are build upon concepts and they are meant to ensure outcomes are developed in a certain direction. When you build a system based on no checks, no accountabilities, no transparencies then you are likely to end up in a certain outcome rather than not. The outcome is an aggregate of 1.3 billion people interacting with a system and each individual will have a capacity to behave differently. How people behave is dependent on the system roadmap. Your position is trust the people in government to do the right thing who will not abuse the system for their own personal gains. Why do you think China is so corrupted? Where do you think corruption comes from? It is payment by people who wants to avoid being oppressed and abused by government officials acting with unchecked powers, no accountability and transparency to their actions.
Well, yes, I'm Chinese and have lived in China therefore I know China better than someone who has only read of it through media biases. That's not fallacious logic; that's called first hand real world experience.
You may know the street where you lived better than others but that is about how much of an authority you have on China based on that experience. It is fallacious because it is an argument of false authority. Your experience on China is 1 out of 1.3 billion and it would not even qualify as a statistical anomaly as representative experience let alone authority. How does your experience living in China accord you the authority to speak on Chinese laws? .
A guy who's been boxing for 10 years knows how to box better than a guy who's been watching Youtube clips of boxing regardless of how long he's been watching them, and your media is going to be far more biased than video clips of fights. Your insistence that people with no experience on a topic can stubbornly lock horns with people who have real world experience on it is fallacious logic.
You are mischaracterising the topic of conversation. I am questioning your reasoning that having lived in China makes you an authority on China..
Yes, you can argue that application and law are separate but there's no point because if your application is flawed and unable to execute the intended purposes of the law, then it's all useless. It goes back to what I said, which is that even though a system might be developed to be more resistant to corruption, with corrupt people, it can still become corrupt. Having laws for transparency, fairness, etc... is worthless if they cannot be applied to achieve their intent. In essence, being transparent and not transparent are the same in terms of fairness if transparency is not properly applied to ensure fairness.
You ae making what I call an Utopian argument. You basically set up an utopian state as the standard and argue that it can't be reached and therefore it is not sound. The problem is you are resting an argument based on execution and not the design. Off course execution will always be messy because unscrupulous people will always be out to game the system to their advantage. Not having solid foundation of due process will even make it worst.
Michael Kovrig is charged with stealing state secrets and endangering national security. Read the news; why ask me this basic question? Now that I have answered it, you will believe that the process is fair and transparent?
Michael Kovrig is a case that demonstrates precisely why China's legal system is so problematic and a source for corruption. There is no due process and no transparency in contrast to Meng's case. No transparency hides a lot of problems and why there are no information on MichaeI Kovrig's case. it is rule by law vs the western system of rule of law. It is a system where the government use the laws to control the people as opposed to protecting the people.
Legally speaking, fairness is the implementation of the law. But common sense is above legality. Making senseless and corrupt laws that are to be implemented is a failure of governance that is an order higher than the implementation of laws.
You missed it, my link between efficiency and due process. Due process is different from country to country but it is always to ensure fairness. An increase in efficiency is an increase in fairness to the common citizen, who wishes his nation purged of malevolent foreign entities, traitors, and others who would harm society. To increase efficiency of processing such criminals, and to diminish the legal loopholes and other tools they typically use to escape justice is to improve the fairness to the common law-abiding citizens. Fairness to this great majority far outweighs "fairness" or the offering of legal tools/chances of evasion to the few who choose to commit crimes. I basically wrote this twice. It was already in my last post but you didn't get it... Once again, reading comprehension is required.
Your argument is basically the end justifies the means because it is for the common good until you are the one in the receiving end of the Chinese justice system. I am sure the mafia is much more efficient and effective in debt collection than a debt collecting agency but then I digress.. .