How did that presumed innocence work out for Strauss Kahn?
Old lady scams work the same way as rape allegations in that society almost always side with the prosecution.
Is it better to walk on by?
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How did that presumed innocence work out for Strauss Kahn?
Old lady scams work the same way as rape allegations in that society almost always side with the prosecution.
Mr T
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Remembered I had a thread on this subject some time ago.
I was just wondering for your views.
1. Do you believe that the passersby really didn't see her?
2. Is there too much emphasis on making money in China and not helping those who aren't friends or family?
3. Does China need a "good samaritan law" that would require people to stop and provide assistance, possibly also making it harder for people to sue those that really help them?
I was just wondering for your views.
1. Do you believe that the passersby really didn't see her?
2. Is there too much emphasis on making money in China and not helping those who aren't friends or family?
3. Does China need a "good samaritan law" that would require people to stop and provide assistance, possibly also making it harder for people to sue those that really help them?
1: Probably people just saying that, though the poor girl was rather short.
2: In this case I don't think it was a matter of making money but rather losing it, with recent cases of would be good samaritans warded by fake victims who then sue their helpers.
3: That isn't the right solution methinks, though making it harder for people to sue helpers would... help. Or rather, punishment for the people trying to zhan pian yi. In the long run I'm hope this event and others will bring more awareness. A "good samaritan class" in early education and on tv ads might help things too, but the need to make it not come across as cheesy which would be a big danger to its credbility.
2: In this case I don't think it was a matter of making money but rather losing it, with recent cases of would be good samaritans warded by fake victims who then sue their helpers.
3: That isn't the right solution methinks, though making it harder for people to sue helpers would... help. Or rather, punishment for the people trying to zhan pian yi. In the long run I'm hope this event and others will bring more awareness. A "good samaritan class" in early education and on tv ads might help things too, but the need to make it not come across as cheesy which would be a big danger to its credbility.
AssassinsMace
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Well it's like how nothing is done with operators of international child sex tours. If there was this concern for children being exploited overseas, you'd figure the first thing they would do is arrest these child sex tours operators based in their own countries. Since there isn't such action, pointing out incidents like these is more about country bashing than the welfare of a child. They're already outraged in China over this and it wasn't spurred on by foreign media coverage.
Rising China
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Human beings all over the world become more and more selfish...When the incident below happened last year, it didn't get any first page coverage for the whole week in the West, except the baby Wang Yue's case...There are cold-hearted people everywhere and in every race...Western media intentionally gives this case extensive coverage for the purpose of creating anti-china sentiment. Now you log on the web you will easily find that a lot of white people wish that some terrible natural disasters happen in China to kill all the 1.3 billion Chinese people...How hypocrite they are! They want to see all the Chinese people die just because of those 17 heartless bystanders...
Good Samaritan bled to death on New York street as 25 pedestrians ignored him for more than an HOUR
By Mail Foreign Service
Last updated at 11:51 AM on 27th April 2010
Blood oozing from his body, this is the homeless man who more than 20 people ignored for nearly an hour as he lay on a New York street after saving a woman from being mugged.
Some turn their heads to look, others stop to gawk. One even lifts his body, exposing what appears to be blood on the pavement underneath him, before walking away.
It wasn't until after he had been lying there for nearly an hour that emergency workers arrived, and by then he was dead.
His death has prompted New Yorkers to question whether their city has become more heartless.
'Is anybody human anymore?' asked Raechelle Groce, visiting her grandmother who lives in flat near where Mr Tale-Yax died. 'What's wrong with humanity?'
'I just think that's horrible, whether you're homeless or not. He's a human being; he needs help.'
CCTV footage, before the Guatemalan intervenes, shows a woman walking along the pavement in the Queens district of the city, when a man approaches her from behind.
As she is attacked by the man, Mr Tale-Yax goes to her aid.
Cameras then capture the attacker fleeing, followed seconds later by the victim who stumbles on the pavement and falls.
He lies fatally injured, face down, after being stabbed several times in the chest with a knife.
Two men come out of a nearby building and stand around Mr Tale-Yax, with one of them taking a picture of the victim on his mobile phone.
One passerby does stop and shake him, but then leaves without calling for assistance.
It is not until 7.23am - more than an hour after he collapsed - that emergency services are called to the scene.
'I think it's horrific,' said Marla Cohan, who teaches at a school across the street from where he died. 'I think people are just afraid to step in; they don't want to get involved; who knows what their reasons are?'
The area where the incident happened is a working-class neighbourhood of apartment buildings and fast food restaurants.
The New York Post called Mr Tale-Yax a good Samaritan and a 'slain hero' and drew comparisons with the April 18 incident to the notorious 1964 murder in Queens when Kitty Genovese was stabbed in the street as she walked to her apartment.
More than ten people heard her repeated screams but failed to come to her aid.
Good Samaritan bled to death on New York street as 25 pedestrians ignored him for more than an HOUR
By Mail Foreign Service
Last updated at 11:51 AM on 27th April 2010
Blood oozing from his body, this is the homeless man who more than 20 people ignored for nearly an hour as he lay on a New York street after saving a woman from being mugged.
Some turn their heads to look, others stop to gawk. One even lifts his body, exposing what appears to be blood on the pavement underneath him, before walking away.
It wasn't until after he had been lying there for nearly an hour that emergency workers arrived, and by then he was dead.
His death has prompted New Yorkers to question whether their city has become more heartless.
'Is anybody human anymore?' asked Raechelle Groce, visiting her grandmother who lives in flat near where Mr Tale-Yax died. 'What's wrong with humanity?'
'I just think that's horrible, whether you're homeless or not. He's a human being; he needs help.'
CCTV footage, before the Guatemalan intervenes, shows a woman walking along the pavement in the Queens district of the city, when a man approaches her from behind.
As she is attacked by the man, Mr Tale-Yax goes to her aid.
Cameras then capture the attacker fleeing, followed seconds later by the victim who stumbles on the pavement and falls.
He lies fatally injured, face down, after being stabbed several times in the chest with a knife.
Two men come out of a nearby building and stand around Mr Tale-Yax, with one of them taking a picture of the victim on his mobile phone.
One passerby does stop and shake him, but then leaves without calling for assistance.
It is not until 7.23am - more than an hour after he collapsed - that emergency services are called to the scene.
'I think it's horrific,' said Marla Cohan, who teaches at a school across the street from where he died. 'I think people are just afraid to step in; they don't want to get involved; who knows what their reasons are?'
The area where the incident happened is a working-class neighbourhood of apartment buildings and fast food restaurants.
The New York Post called Mr Tale-Yax a good Samaritan and a 'slain hero' and drew comparisons with the April 18 incident to the notorious 1964 murder in Queens when Kitty Genovese was stabbed in the street as she walked to her apartment.
More than ten people heard her repeated screams but failed to come to her aid.
SteelBird
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There is something I don't want to admit but have to quote that it is true. My relatives from France told us in France, if you see some old people falls down, don't try to help them because they might sue you for pushing them and you have to pay compensation. Something similar to the case of Nanjing court.
1. Quite obvious some people saw her, one dude on motorcycle even stopped and starred at her, I couldn't see the expression on his face but I know his heart was struggling with his brain.
2. No, this is about protecting themselves because the current legal system does not provide protection.
3. Yes, I agree with at least the second part, though the first part should not be necessary.
Back when I was a kid in China, the teachers drilled party propaganda into us on a daily basis, we are supposed to "protect the young, respect the elderly", "uphold the spirit of Lei Feng, serve the people", etc. We even had a morality and ethics class, had to write papers every term about the good deeds we did, get people to send letters of appreciation for our volunteer work to school.
However, after speaking with other people who also came from China, this was apparently not the case for all provinces, especially the south where this incident happened. Lately the party propaganda has became less effective, people gained resistance after they got a taste of capitalism, they realized it's a dog eat dog world.
2. No, this is about protecting themselves because the current legal system does not provide protection.
3. Yes, I agree with at least the second part, though the first part should not be necessary.
Back when I was a kid in China, the teachers drilled party propaganda into us on a daily basis, we are supposed to "protect the young, respect the elderly", "uphold the spirit of Lei Feng, serve the people", etc. We even had a morality and ethics class, had to write papers every term about the good deeds we did, get people to send letters of appreciation for our volunteer work to school.
However, after speaking with other people who also came from China, this was apparently not the case for all provinces, especially the south where this incident happened. Lately the party propaganda has became less effective, people gained resistance after they got a taste of capitalism, they realized it's a dog eat dog world.
Quickie
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A samaritan protection law? Isn't there already one in China. What about other countries?
IMO, there's no excuse for not helping but I think the most guilty ones are the pedestrians walking by. Unlike the cyclist or motorcyclist, there's almost a zero chance of them not seeing the injured child, and unlike the cyclist or motorcylist, they can't be wrongfully accused of knocking down the child.
IMO, there's no excuse for not helping but I think the most guilty ones are the pedestrians walking by. Unlike the cyclist or motorcyclist, there's almost a zero chance of them not seeing the injured child, and unlike the cyclist or motorcylist, they can't be wrongfully accused of knocking down the child.
I won't bet on that. So many news that when good samaritan helped someone who fell over or whatever the case was sued, being asked for compensation. Multiple witness said the samaritan pushed them over or whatever. But those witness later were found to be the victims friends and relatives. Every since the economic boom in China, people are getting worse and worse in moral values. They will do anything for money.
So you have so many people too scared to help people now, making the world news think that the onlookers purposely don't help cause they don't want to. It's not the case. They want to help, but are scared it's a money making fraud. My mates Chinese mates parents (had dinner with them) said that Chinese people weren't like this before the invasion of foreign nations, they said their old morals and attitude have been lost in this modernization.
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