Is China planning a Military Strike beyond its borders?

SampanViking

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As you have taken the trouble to read most of this thread, you will also have read the moderation instruction stating that I have no interest in what anybody thinks is morally right or wrong. Sadly you have chosen to ignore this and repeatedly chosen to post such opinions which are both offtopic and; to my mind flamebait.

The subject of this topic is whether China; alone or with its allies, are about to to use troops in anger in the Central Asia region and any news or policy statements, or other manoeuvrings that either support or dismiss this notion. The key words are policy and statements, ie what they are, not whether you like/agree or not with them.

Do not do it again!

All other posters that have risen to this bait should refrain from now on.

 

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I am certainly very grateful to the new Chinese Ministry of National Defence for two stories it has published.

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About a Heavy Division from the East being transported over 2000km to a position in "South West China" (nice pic of lotts of T96's or T99)

and also in Lanzhou military district

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A major medical exercise, ostensibly for disaster relief, but it is in the area and practising an emergency remote deployment.

Lets see if the Pro SCO Afghan Premier Karzai manages to win his election today without a serious campaign from others to undermine his victory and the electoral process;)
 

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Something extra for the pot!

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China slams US for violating 'national interests'

By DAVID WIVELL
Associated Press Writer


BEIJING (AP) -- A top Chinese general criticized the U.S. on Thursday for selling arms to Taiwan and accused Washington of only being cooperative when it needs help with international campaigns.

Relations between the countries are generally good, but Taiwan is a sensitive point. The two sides split during a civil war in 1949, and China sees the self-governing island as a renegade province. The Bush administration's approval last year of a major arms sale to Taiwan led China to break off military talks with the United States.

"You keep challenging and violating our core national interests, and we have to react," People's Liberation Army Chief of the General Staff Chen Bingde said at a meeting in Beijing with his U.S. counterpart, Gen. George Casey.

Chen said the United States has sought China's help in international operations such as the war in Afghanistan or in fighting piracy off Somalia but undermined the mutual trust needed for such cooperation with its arms sales to Taiwan.

"Once the United State needs us to cooperate, they are good to us, they are friendly to us. Otherwise, they can do anything they want, even to offend the Chinese people. But I don't think that kind of cooperation can continue," Chen said at the meeting, which was open to the media.

Casey, the Army chief of staff, said Washington understood Beijing's position on Taiwan, but that there needed to be understanding on both sides.

"It's difficult to build a lasting relationship when we start from a point that 'we have problem and it is you'," Casey said.

Nevertheless, Casey insisted the growing military ties between China and the U.S. would "withstand the vagaries of political turbulence."

U.S. officials say China suspended most military dialogue with Washington last year after the Bush administration approved a $6.5 billion arms package to Taiwan.

Relations improved this year, and military contacts resumed, but Taiwan has a number of weapons requests pending in Washington, including one for relatively advanced F-16 fighter jets.

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Well, what can I say?

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Chinese troops offer an Afghan solution
By Francesco Sisci

BEIJING - On August 11, China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) kicked off its largest military maneuver in decades. About 50,000 troops, drawn from each of the seven military commands, were deployed by "rail and air transport" to unfamiliar territories far from their garrison training bases. The goal of the exercise was "to improve [the PLA's] capacity of long-range projection", reported the official Chinese news agency Xinhua.

the PLA is thinking of long-range projection - that is, sending troops out of Chinese territory for special purposes. The one territory that needs troops and where Chinese soldiers could be deployed is Afghanistan.

With its latest exercises, China could be winking at the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the United States - both of which are presently engaged in Afghanistan - saying, we have troops, they are trained, and we could send them over.

Or less politely, "if you continue to interfere in our internal affairs and fail to respect our core interests, we will send them over!!"
 

flyzies

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That article goes on to say alot about Pakistan, India and some sort of grand bargain to allow PLA into Afghanistan.
Thing is, if China wanted to go into Afghanistan, theyll make a courtesy call to tell US, Pakistan and NATO as PLA will either have direct or indirect contact with troops from those countries. India would not be on that list.
Afghanistan today is a training haven for new weapons; all the Pentagons newest goodies are being tried and perfected over there. Perhaps CMC sees this opportunity for a realistic test of PLA and its toys is too good to pass up...

I am not going to go into what PLA deployment into Afghanistan would mean for China, Pakistan and the Indian ocean as that'll be getting ahead of ourselves. But certainly Gwadar jumps to mind...
 

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Well, what can I say?

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Or less politely, "if you continue to interfere in our internal affairs and fail to respect our core interests, we will send them over!!"

Perhaps, China is sending the message to the terrorists who were directly threatening China's interest.
 

Violet Oboe

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Sisci is often carried away by his wishful thinking and his analysis is mainly flawed by oversimplified dogmatic assumptions about sino-western relations.

From my POV any Chinese leader sending PLA troops to Afghanistan would commit a serious mistake dramatically compromising the entire spectrum of Chinese interests. (Perhaps a somewhat more straightforward description of this kind of colossal stupidity would be ´utterly insane´!)
 

plawolf

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Why would the PLA want a piece of the mess in Afghanistan? Its a tar-pit and a worthless one at that. Even if PLA troops could pacify the Afghans, how does that benefit China in any way whatsoever?

Chinese strategic planners are probably quite happy that Afghanistan is tying up so much American and NATO forces and bleeding them slowly but surely in terms of men and treasure. Why should China shed blood and wealth to dig the Americans and NATO out of Afghanistan when the west tramples Chinese interests wrt Tibet, Xinjiang and Taiwan whenever it suits them?

And testing weapons? What targets does Afghanistan offer that could not be simulated with a cheap shed? There is precious little of value to target in Afghanistan and that is precisely why the Americans and NATO are having such a hard time over there as they have nothing to unleash their overwhelming firepower against.

And testing top secret weapons under the nose of the Americans and NATO is not what I would call a particularly intelligent idea.
 

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there is always a confluence of factors and this would be no exception, for either China or its SCO partners.

Russia is smarting at the latest rebuff from Washington, which has recently announced that it does not recognise any post Soviet sphere of influence, while China is concerned at the spread of instability throughout the region and into its own territory. Both are concerned to ensure their primary access to the energy reserves in the Caspian Basin and the ability to pipe it unhindered to their sovereign territory.

It would appear that the SCO no longer believes that the NATO mission in Afghanistan is conducive to regional stability and are keen for this mission to end. Fortunately for them, it appears that the incumbent Afghan President Karzai is of the same mind and has both participated in SCO sponsored regional forums on resolving the Afghan problem on a regional basis and has called for a imminent end of the NATO mission and the withdrawal from Afghan territory of its forces.

This is why the current situation boils down to the ongoing election process, which is nicely summarised by M R Bhadrakumar today.

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Unsurprisingly, therefore, Washington has reached the conclusion that the only way left to stop Karzai from snatching victory will be by making the election process controversial. Washington has abruptly backed away from what President Barack Obama hailed as "this historic election". The emphasis is on running down the election process and to "delegitimize" the result. Every word spoken by Abdullah goes to build up a case to annul the election result.

The US is pinning hopes on the so-called Election Complaints Commission (ECC), which is stacked with its nominees, to decide "how substantive the election fraud was" - to quote New York Times. The ECC is a body appointed by the United Nations, but that's a fig leaf - just as the US-led foreign troops in Afghanistan operate under UN mandate. Given the ECC's composition, it will not disregard Abdullah's complaints.

A flashpoint could arise within the coming fortnight when the Independent Election Commission (IEC), an Afghan body, might declare Karzai as the outright winner and the ECC, which is dominated by the US, annuls the result on account of Abdullah's allegations. The US intention is to supersede the IEC and conduct the runoff under the supervision of the "international community" and the UN - that is, return to the 2004 mode and proceed to declare that "democracy" won in Afghanistan, while fixing the election result to ensure the Abdullah-Ghani tandem comes to power.

This is the point that it becomes viable for SCO forces to occupy the North and Eastern areas of Afghanistan and to provide a security zone capable of sheltering Karzai and his Government from any malign intention and done with his blessing. So you see, what you would have is an SCO force invited in by the man recognised by the Afghans own electoral overseers as the legitimate victor and most likely recognised as President by the majority of the Afghan elite, as a challenge to a Government only installed and recognised by the occupying powers.

Will China do this? it certainly has good reasons to desire this outcome and the eventual end of the NATO mission and a simple review of statements and actions over the last few months shows all the pre-requisites being put in place to ensure that it is a serious and credible action.
 

flyzies

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From CD, showing PAP or PLA in Afghanistan training Afghan police.

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