Agreed, which is exactly the types of things I was pointing out in my post #34 on this thread.
But the one group they will probably be able to fool...because they have pretty much complete control of the media...are many of their own citizens.
Iran's New Stealth Fighter
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But the one group they will probably be able to fool...because they have pretty much complete control of the media...are many of their own citizens.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
I have to agree to disagree with you there Franklin. As a matter a fact China IS a good example to support my initial thought as oppose to against it. China probably lost out a couple of decades due to the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution of the 60s and 70s. It was Deng XioPing (and Nixon's visit) which was the catalyst that turned China around to what it is today.
By the end of Mao’s life in 1976 China’s economy was stagnant, and technology lagged twenty to thirty years behind world standards and most Chinese lived in cramped quarters with poor food and clothing, few comforts, and no freedoms. Much of Asia and the world had raced beyond China toward technical and social modernity.
Stagnation of technology and economy CAN and most likely be DUE to the forms of government which governs it at that time.
I also strongly oppose your views of isolation making someone better (Iran). Self reliance due to isolation is NOT GOOD because it will NEVER grow as fast and efficient as an open economy with shared ideas and thoughts. No matter how smart a country is, it can never be smarter than the collective ideas and 'smartness' of everyone else on this Earth.
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So just like Chinese forums about 10 years ago. Of course we have stuff to show for it now, but back then we didn't and the fandom floated on hope and hype anyway.
The stealth shaping is basic F-117 stuff which well known and may represent the limits of Iranian technology. It may be as "stealthy" as India's Tejas "stealth fighter".
The avionics are COTS, stuff that Iran can realistically acquire. The Iranians also have access to the J85 engines and if the speed dial was any indication, the Iranians don't expect it to go supersonic. Is there anything presented in the mockup that suggests an over ambitious plane beyond the Iranian's intellectual and industrial capabilities? I don't think so. It will be an extremely modest plane but a genuine one.If it was purely for propaganda, I'm very disappointed that the Iranians didn't come up with something more impressive than this.
Agree. Just look at ITAR as an example how United States, the greatest technological powerhouse on Earth with near monopoly on satellite technology managed to totally screw themselves over one and a half decades trying to deny China access to space technology while gutting their own aerospace industries instead. All they achieved was sending the business and the jobs to the Euros, while China built an indigenous space industry anyway.
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MwRYum
Major
People eventually grown up, thus fanboys of yesteryear now more rationale and take things with a pint of salt; sure, the new fanboys are just as irrational but with the old dogs around the overall quality improved.
F-117 shaping is largely due to the limitations of CAD designs of that time, if the Lockheed Skunkworks have more computer power we might actually get something akin to the "F-19". All the other things just point out this Iranian works is far from a genuine operation platform, simple as that.The stealth shaping is basic F-117 stuff which well known and may represent the limits of Iranian technology. It may be as "stealthy" as India's Tejas "stealth fighter".
Not "impressive", "convincing" is what they should've strive for, and on that benchmark the Iranians totally failed.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
What Pointblank was saying. there also a module there that looks like something off my old 93' Honda Accord Coupe.
the aircraft is just a mock upHere’s why Iran’s new stealth fighter jet can’t fly February 4, 2013
Posted by David Cenciotti in : Military Aviation , 1 comment so far
Although the oddities of the Qaher 313 or Q-313 or F-313 have been already listed in the article “Iran unveils new indigenous stealth fighter “Qaher 313″. And here’s a detailed analysis” many of the readers of The Aviationist have requested to recap them in a new post.
Hence, here below you can find all the reasons why we can affirm that Iran’s new stealth plane, at least in the form that was showcased on Feb. 2 during the Ten-Day Dawn ceremonies held in Tehran, is nothing more than a mock-up.
The size of the plane is weird. The cockpit seems to be too small, to such an extent a normal pilot doesn’t properly fit in the ejection seat. Have you ever seen a pilot with his knees above the side borders of the cockpit and his helmet well beyond the ejection seat’s head pad?
The general shape of the plane is interesting, probably the result of many inputs including the X-32, the X-36, the Boeing Bird of Prey. Still, wings with outern section canted downward seem to be a bit too little to sustain the weight of the aircraft, especially the “adveniristic plane” is intended to carry a powerful engine and internal payload
Overall, the plane seems to lack the characteristic rivets, bolts all aircraft, including stealthy ones, feature. Images released so far show it as a plastic-made aircraft
The engine exhaust misses any kind of nozzle. The use of afterburner (or, simply, the engine temperature) would possibly melt the entire structure of the jet
The aircraft sports fixed canards and air intakes a bit too small to feed a modern jet plane’s engine; air intakes resemble those used by modern UCAV designs. They are located above the wing meaning that at high AOA (Angle Of Attack) the intakes would get turbulent or no air at all for the engine.
The cockpit is too simple: the front panel lacks the typical wirings while it features few instruments of a type you expect to find on small private planes. Some readers have noticed the airspeed indicator is limited to 300 MPH.
The canopy lacks transparency and looks like it is made of plexiglass
The nose and main landing gear seem to unretractable (although the hinge mechanism could be hidden by the door bay). Someone has pointed out the landing gear bays dimensions are such to be unable to accomodate the stowed gear but I found no way to verify this theory
The flying aircraft shown in the video released yesterday is a radio controlled model (but, it looks like Iranian media outlets have already confirmed this).
Some Iranian readers have said the F-313 is not intended to be an actual plane but a drone. Maybe.
Still the aircraft, manned or unmanned, as displayed on Feb. 2 will hardly take to the air unless extensive modifications are made.
Posted by David Cenciotti in : Military Aviation , 1 comment so far
Although the oddities of the Qaher 313 or Q-313 or F-313 have been already listed in the article “Iran unveils new indigenous stealth fighter “Qaher 313″. And here’s a detailed analysis” many of the readers of The Aviationist have requested to recap them in a new post.
Hence, here below you can find all the reasons why we can affirm that Iran’s new stealth plane, at least in the form that was showcased on Feb. 2 during the Ten-Day Dawn ceremonies held in Tehran, is nothing more than a mock-up.
The size of the plane is weird. The cockpit seems to be too small, to such an extent a normal pilot doesn’t properly fit in the ejection seat. Have you ever seen a pilot with his knees above the side borders of the cockpit and his helmet well beyond the ejection seat’s head pad?
The general shape of the plane is interesting, probably the result of many inputs including the X-32, the X-36, the Boeing Bird of Prey. Still, wings with outern section canted downward seem to be a bit too little to sustain the weight of the aircraft, especially the “adveniristic plane” is intended to carry a powerful engine and internal payload
Overall, the plane seems to lack the characteristic rivets, bolts all aircraft, including stealthy ones, feature. Images released so far show it as a plastic-made aircraft
The engine exhaust misses any kind of nozzle. The use of afterburner (or, simply, the engine temperature) would possibly melt the entire structure of the jet
The aircraft sports fixed canards and air intakes a bit too small to feed a modern jet plane’s engine; air intakes resemble those used by modern UCAV designs. They are located above the wing meaning that at high AOA (Angle Of Attack) the intakes would get turbulent or no air at all for the engine.
The cockpit is too simple: the front panel lacks the typical wirings while it features few instruments of a type you expect to find on small private planes. Some readers have noticed the airspeed indicator is limited to 300 MPH.
The canopy lacks transparency and looks like it is made of plexiglass
The nose and main landing gear seem to unretractable (although the hinge mechanism could be hidden by the door bay). Someone has pointed out the landing gear bays dimensions are such to be unable to accomodate the stowed gear but I found no way to verify this theory
The flying aircraft shown in the video released yesterday is a radio controlled model (but, it looks like Iranian media outlets have already confirmed this).
Some Iranian readers have said the F-313 is not intended to be an actual plane but a drone. Maybe.
Still the aircraft, manned or unmanned, as displayed on Feb. 2 will hardly take to the air unless extensive modifications are made.
Equation
Lieutenant General
It's a technology demonstrator plane. Who knows, the real one might still be under work. I got a feeling the Iranian scientist must have learned something from that downed RQ-170 Sentinel last year.
SteelBird
Colonel
I just feel strange, Iran might not have the ability to produce a true fifth gen aircraft yet but it has the ability to design and produce its own aircraft anyway. This means it has the knowledge what makes an aircraft fly, right? If it wants to fool the westerners, it could design an aircraft (mock-up) with a shape and size that would make it air worthy, huh? Further, is there anything wrong with the attitude of the westerners toward Iran's aviation industry? Why are there simply report and analysis just to prove that it is not an aircraft or at least not an air worthy aircraft? Why can't you stay a little bit patient and see what will happen next? If some day it turns out to be a real aircraft or, like Equation said, the real one is behind it, you might embarrass yourselves badly.
MwRYum
Major
Unless they've trained monkeys to fly it and tailored the F-313 to be flown by monkeys, dropping JDAM-tipped pineapples as munitions (in Chinese, "pineapple" is nickname for bombs and hand grenades), and using compressed gas as propulsion, it's hardly a weapon as the Iranians proclaimed...in short, flaunting a mock up as wunderwaffen is lousy PR...as such, the Iranians should stone that PR guy in-charge to death, to save themselves the embarrassment.