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In Iran, the obeying part consisted of British Petroleum owning Iranian energy resources (oil & gas) - a reality extremely despised by the local population
In the 1950s, popularly elected nationalists/reformist in Iran proposed nationalization of the oil industry and limiting the power of the monarch by transitioning to a form of constitutional monarchy modeled after the UK's own system of government. In response, the UK sanctioned and embargoed Iran, and MI6/CIA launched a coup that would restore autocratic powers to the Shah. That event sowed the seeds of discontent which would ultimately erupt into the revolution of 1979. UK/US crushed a fledgling indigenous democracy in order to satisfy their own greed (in UKs case) and geopolitical agenda (US case, as the Brits manipulated the US into thinking Iran was at imminent risk of turning communist).
 
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Minm

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The platform itself is certainly not the most advanced, however the avionics and EW is still considered state of the art within PLA's orbats, unless they massively downgrade it in CE it would be problematic to let western intelligence have at it
If people are worried that secrets could leak to the US, China shouldn't be selling any weapons to Saudi or other GCC states. Iran has some citizens that are potential recruits for spies. In the Arab kingdoms the actual government is an American and sometimes secret Israeli ally. They know that the US is protecting their regimes and China wouldn't lift a finger to defend the king of Saudi Arabia. So from an intelligence point of view, there's similar risks.

It's more a question of whether China wants to make more money selling planes to Arab countries or impose costs on western forces by arming Iran. Ideally of course do both
 

ougoah

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If people are worried that secrets could leak to the US, China shouldn't be selling any weapons to Saudi or other GCC states. Iran has some citizens that are potential recruits for spies. In the Arab kingdoms the actual government is an American and sometimes secret Israeli ally. They know that the US is protecting their regimes and China wouldn't lift a finger to defend the king of Saudi Arabia. So from an intelligence point of view, there's similar risks.

It's more a question of whether China wants to make more money selling planes to Arab countries or impose costs on western forces by arming Iran. Ideally of course do both

China has only ever sold ground force equipment to the oil rich Arab nations. Tanks, IFVs, lasers, artillery and in one rare example, also some short range ballistic missiles for one of them... a long time ago... and a very outdated missile similar to the ballistic missile sold to Turkey.

China has never sold any sensitive or high tech equipment to those nations - fighters, modern air to air missiles like PL-15. Even C4ISR equipment has never been offered due to opsec.
 

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If, as rumoured, there are middle east nations on the line for J-35AE, then I see no reason why they would be worried if China sold J-10CE to Iran.

However that would also require Iran to pledge to not attack Gulf Countries, and to also completely turn off and disable GPS access and switch to BeiDou

Sorry but political trust on Iran promises are worth less than zero. Lets see their sincerity first
Question, how many countries has Iran unilaterally attacked since the revolution?
 

zyklon

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If people are worried that secrets could leak to the US, China shouldn't be selling any weapons to Saudi or other GCC states. Iran has some citizens that are potential recruits for spies. In the Arab kingdoms the actual government is an American and sometimes secret Israeli ally. They know that the US is protecting their regimes and China wouldn't lift a finger to defend the king of Saudi Arabia. So from an intelligence point of view, there's similar risks.

It's more a question of whether China wants to make more money selling planes to Arab countries or impose costs on western forces by arming Iran. Ideally of course do both

China has only ever sold ground force equipment to the oil rich Arab nations. Tanks, IFVs, lasers, artillery and in one rare example, also some short range ballistic missiles for one of them... a long time ago... and a very outdated missile similar to the ballistic missile sold to Turkey.

China has never sold any sensitive or high tech equipment to those nations - fighters, modern air to air missiles like PL-15. Even C4ISR equipment has never been offered due to opsec.

China has not only sold the DF-3 and
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has provided significant technical assistance to Saudi Arabia's localized production of what I suspect to be a DF-16 derivative.

Not quite as impressive as some of the PLA's UGF, but it shouldn't be too hard to reasonably guess who may have engineered such
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TBF Beijing has been indispensable in Riyadh's efforts to develop a ballistic missile capability principally intended for rivaling analogous Iranian threats.

Obviously, Tehran is not happy about this at all, even though the Chinese have not given the Saudis everything they've asked for. Otherwise, the Saudis would be locally producing something fancier than a DF-16 derivative already.

Regardless, this is one of the major reasons why the Iranians have reservations about importing Chinese arms. Even though China brokered the recent detente between Iran and Saudi Arabia, the Iranians remain concerned that Chinese defense exporters could be persuaded to dump them in the event of a conflict against the Saudis.

This is likely why the Iranians reportedly asked to locally produce the J-10, however ridiculous that may sound given the state of their aviation industry. The Iranians learned the hard way trying to keep American arms serviceable against Iraq in the 1980s, and they don't want to risk repeating that even though China was neutral enough during that conflict to arm both sides.
 

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China denies report of air defense system transfers to Iran

The original news about Iran receiving SAMs is likely fake news.

That sounds like a pro forma denial, especially the counter-proliferation (WMD) talking points.

Moreover, Iran is technically speaking no longer engaged in hostilities against Israel or vice versa, so there is definitely "wiggle room" should Beijing deliver weapons to Tehran, especially defensive systems.

Ultimately, there's no certainty that a sale was finalized until we see an official confirmation, which probably won't happen knowing Beijing, or better yet, the rumored Chinese kit in Iranian colors.



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-Middle East Eye

However, there simply no time for China to produce any air defense systems for Iran. This is a long process. Similarly, in the case of rumors about J-10C. Even if Iran wants to buy urgently, it takes a lot of time for implementation. This is not a matter of days and a week, but many months and years.

Negotiations between Tehran and Beijing for the HQ-9, J-10 and other Chinese weapons systems began long before the "12 Day War" or the events of October 7, 2023.

The UN arms embargo against Iran expired in October 2020, so the Iranians most likely received "updated pitches" from CATIC, CPMIEC and maybe a couple other major Chinese defense exporters on their latest and greatest offerings months or even a year+ beforehand when it became clear the arms embargo would not be renewed. Major defense deals take years or even a decade+ to negotiate, and such occasions give buyers and sellers an opportunity to check in and see where things stand.

In addition,
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, which reportedly does contain a military component:

Both sides view the enhancement of communications and exchanges between their Armed Forces and Ministries of Defense as contributing to stability and security and shall increase the exchange of delegations, consultations and coordination at various levels and shall upgrade the level of cooperation of the Armed Forces of the two countries through cooperation mechanisms in the fields of human resource training, fighting terrorism and exchange of information, as well as equipment and technology.

The talks that led to the Sino-Iranian CSP would've provided another occasion for starting or restarting certain arms sales negotiations, but things obviously didn't get anywhere given the state of Iran's economy and their defense priorities around 2020 and 2021.



More recently in November 2024, a fairly high level Iranian military delegation led by Iranian Air Force Commander Hamid Vahedi visited the Zhuhai Air Show, where Vahedi was photographed inside the cockpit of a J-10CE:

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Per Iran's equivalent of Xinhua, the IRNA,
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Moreover, according to the Tehran Times, which Western sources consider a facet of Iranian state media,
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General Vahedi's visit was at the invitation of the commander of the Air Force of the People's Republic of China. So far as part of the six-day event, General Vahedi has explored a variety of military equipment, including the Chinese Air Force G-10 fighter, and engaged in discussions with his Chinese counterpart, General Chang Ding Chiu, as well as other air force leaders from allied nations.

The discussions focused on enhancing bilateral relations across various sectors, including potential joint initiatives, such as the expansion of China's use of Iranian air bases and naval facilities in the Persian Gulf, and the exchange of military experiences and technologies.

Given that Vahedi and company flew in for the Chinese defense expo, the state of hostilities between Iran and Israel in late 2024, and the imminent return of Donald Trump — who was responsible for an unprecedented level of overt American aggression against Iran by ordering the targeted assassination of Qasem Soleimani — to the White House, there's basically "no fucking way" the sale of big ticket items was not on the agenda during the meeting between Generals Chang and Vahedi in November 2024.

We obviously don't know if the Iranians inked a deal for the HQ-9, J-10 or anything else in November 2024 or thereabouts, but considering the circumstances, it's plausible that Iranian military brass finally got the funding they wanted from higher ups to order new toys from China.

If that's what happened, deliveries would likely start this year or next year, assuming no one gets cold feet. So we may find out fairly soon as to whether there's any substance to these rumors.
 
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