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In Iran, the obeying part consisted of British Petroleum owning Iranian energy resources (oil & gas) - a reality extremely despised by the local population
In the 1950s, popularly elected nationalists/reformist in Iran proposed nationalization of the oil industry and limiting the power of the monarch by transitioning to a form of constitutional monarchy modeled after the UK's own system of government. In response, the UK sanctioned and embargoed Iran, and MI6/CIA launched a coup that would restore autocratic powers to the Shah. That event sowed the seeds of discontent which would ultimately erupt into the revolution of 1979. UK/US crushed a fledgling indigenous democracy in order to satisfy their own greed (in UKs case) and geopolitical agenda (US case, as the Brits manipulated the US into thinking Iran was at imminent risk of turning communist).
 
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Minm

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The platform itself is certainly not the most advanced, however the avionics and EW is still considered state of the art within PLA's orbats, unless they massively downgrade it in CE it would be problematic to let western intelligence have at it
If people are worried that secrets could leak to the US, China shouldn't be selling any weapons to Saudi or other GCC states. Iran has some citizens that are potential recruits for spies. In the Arab kingdoms the actual government is an American and sometimes secret Israeli ally. They know that the US is protecting their regimes and China wouldn't lift a finger to defend the king of Saudi Arabia. So from an intelligence point of view, there's similar risks.

It's more a question of whether China wants to make more money selling planes to Arab countries or impose costs on western forces by arming Iran. Ideally of course do both
 

ougoah

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If people are worried that secrets could leak to the US, China shouldn't be selling any weapons to Saudi or other GCC states. Iran has some citizens that are potential recruits for spies. In the Arab kingdoms the actual government is an American and sometimes secret Israeli ally. They know that the US is protecting their regimes and China wouldn't lift a finger to defend the king of Saudi Arabia. So from an intelligence point of view, there's similar risks.

It's more a question of whether China wants to make more money selling planes to Arab countries or impose costs on western forces by arming Iran. Ideally of course do both

China has only ever sold ground force equipment to the oil rich Arab nations. Tanks, IFVs, lasers, artillery and in one rare example, also some short range ballistic missiles for one of them... a long time ago... and a very outdated missile similar to the ballistic missile sold to Turkey.

China has never sold any sensitive or high tech equipment to those nations - fighters, modern air to air missiles like PL-15. Even C4ISR equipment has never been offered due to opsec.
 

pipaster

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If, as rumoured, there are middle east nations on the line for J-35AE, then I see no reason why they would be worried if China sold J-10CE to Iran.

However that would also require Iran to pledge to not attack Gulf Countries, and to also completely turn off and disable GPS access and switch to BeiDou

Sorry but political trust on Iran promises are worth less than zero. Lets see their sincerity first
Question, how many countries has Iran unilaterally attacked since the revolution?
 

zyklon

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If people are worried that secrets could leak to the US, China shouldn't be selling any weapons to Saudi or other GCC states. Iran has some citizens that are potential recruits for spies. In the Arab kingdoms the actual government is an American and sometimes secret Israeli ally. They know that the US is protecting their regimes and China wouldn't lift a finger to defend the king of Saudi Arabia. So from an intelligence point of view, there's similar risks.

It's more a question of whether China wants to make more money selling planes to Arab countries or impose costs on western forces by arming Iran. Ideally of course do both

China has only ever sold ground force equipment to the oil rich Arab nations. Tanks, IFVs, lasers, artillery and in one rare example, also some short range ballistic missiles for one of them... a long time ago... and a very outdated missile similar to the ballistic missile sold to Turkey.

China has never sold any sensitive or high tech equipment to those nations - fighters, modern air to air missiles like PL-15. Even C4ISR equipment has never been offered due to opsec.

China has not only sold the DF-3 and
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has provided significant technical assistance to Saudi Arabia's localized production of what I suspect to be a DF-16 derivative.

Not quite as impressive as some of the PLA's UGF, but it shouldn't be too hard to reasonably guess who may have engineered such
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TBF Beijing has been indispensable in Riyadh's efforts to develop a ballistic missile capability principally intended for rivaling analogous Iranian threats.

Obviously, Tehran is not happy about this at all, even though the Chinese have not given the Saudis everything they've asked for. Otherwise, the Saudis would be locally producing something fancier than a DF-16 derivative already.

Regardless, this is one of the major reasons why the Iranians have reservations about importing Chinese arms. Even though China brokered the recent detente between Iran and Saudi Arabia, the Iranians remain concerned that Chinese defense exporters could be persuaded to dump them in the event of a conflict against the Saudis.

This is likely why the Iranians reportedly asked to locally produce the J-10, however ridiculous that may sound given the state of their aviation industry. The Iranians learned the hard way trying to keep American arms serviceable against Iraq in the 1980s, and they don't want to risk repeating that even though China was neutral enough during that conflict to arm both sides.
 
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