Infantry Combat Equipment (non-firearm): Vests, Body Armor, NVGs, etc.

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Domestic night vision goggles. White phosphor by the looks of it. The video implies that this is a gen 2+ system.


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A follow up video.



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Personally I think priority should be towards widespread distribution of these among PLA SOF, PLA recon, PAP SOF, and police SWAT in that descending order (all of course with accompanying IR lasers)

Specifically, with the intent that all PLA SOF brigades and units (among all arms of the PLA) and PLA recon units would have NVGs organic to every personnel that has a combat facing role.


I do recall the new helmet being equipped with a dual tube set up, but I'm not sure if it was properly fitted and actually viable. It doesn't look particularly sturdy to me.


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IR laser is stupid, gives away your position.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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IR laser is stupid, gives away your position.
If it is used improperly (aka used without discipline), then its wielder can be easily detected and killed. Other than that, it’s a really useful tool. It’s great for designating targets in the dark for other teams, squad and even CAS, and it is excellent for communicating with other teammates without the need for hand signals and noises, especially when everyone is in the middle of a firefight in which vision and hearing are significantly impaired.
 

drowingfish

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If it is used improperly (aka used without discipline), then its wielder can be easily detected and killed. Other than that, it’s a really useful tool. It’s great for designating targets in the dark for other teams, squad and even CAS, and it is excellent for communicating with other teammates without the need for hand signals and noises, especially when everyone is in the middle of a firefight in which vision and hearing are significantly impaired.
naw those are famous last words "if we all do this properly it'll work" that rarely pan out the way you want it to.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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naw those are famous last words "if we all do this properly it'll work" that rarely pan out the way you want it to.
Nope. The information I provided is from veterans of the US SOF community, and since groups such as ISIS and the Taliban were discovered to have used night vision equipment (especially the latter who was using NVG’s since 2007 although it could be even farther back), the US’s TTP’s and SOP’s in regards to night fighting are proven and well established.

Also given the fact this thread is a technical one, please provide a more coherent rebuttal in the future.
 

drowingfish

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Nope. The information I provided is from veterans of the US SOF community, and since groups such as ISIS and the Taliban were discovered to have used night vision equipment (especially the latter who was using NVG’s since 2007 although it could be even farther back), the US’s TTP’s and SOP’s in regards to night fighting are proven and well established.

Also given the fact this thread is a technical one, please provide a more coherent rebuttal in the future.
exactly my point, SOF veterans, against ragtag ISIS? means that this is not a proven method in near-peer conflict, thank you for proving my point.

Also "SOF vet told me this" is also not a very technical rebuttal.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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exactly my point, SOF veterans, against ragtag ISIS? means that this is not a proven method in near-peer conflict, thank you for proving my point.

Also "SOF vet told me this" is also not a very technical rebuttal.
Read the rest. ISIS and the Taliban used night vision equipment during their wars against the US and allied forces. Even most of the PLA infantry don’t have night vision equipment up to this day. Contrary to popular belief, the Taliban and ISIS were pretty well equipped due to regional forces abandoning their equipment and “unknown” suppliers.

Yes the US hasn’t fought a conventional conflict against a competent enemy ever since the Vietnam War. However in regards to small unit tactics, they are possibly the best at it.
 
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drowingfish

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Read the rest. ISIS and the Taliban used night vision equipment during their wars against the US and allied forces. Even most of the PLA infantry don’t have night vision equipment up to this day. Contrary to popular belief, the Taliban and ISIS were pretty well equipped due to regional forces abandoning their equipment and “unknown” suppliers.
it changes nothing, enforcing "laser" discipline is the same as enforcing noise and light discipline, its all nice and easy in a deliberate environment, soon as something goes wrong and people panic, that discipline goes out the window.
 

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it changes nothing, enforcing "laser" discipline is the same as enforcing noise and light discipline, its all nice and easy in a deliberate environment, soon as something goes wrong and people panic, that discipline goes out the window.
It changes everything. When the enemy has night vision, the wanton usage of IR has to stop since the enemy can easily see your IR strobes and lasers. Also I don’t think Afghanistan and Iraq are “deliberate” environments. US SOF and even conventional infantry have been through a ton of highly intense operations that range from urban CQC to mountain warfare.
 
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