Infantry Combat Equipment (non-firearm): Vests, Body Armor, NVGs, etc.

bjj_starter

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First as of it the time of writing , yes this is official PAP camo, it has two versions, the one in the picture seem to me is the woodland
version and not a new one , it just the yellowish lighting that makes it looks like a new camo .Tt has a desert version. It doesn't seems like both of these versions are for testing , they are the standard new uniforms.

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I don't know the history behind type 21 PAP camo development , but as for the need , I think they do have one.
It is expected for the PAP to conduct any mission that armed resistance is expected , they are not doctrinally handled by police or swat in China.
If the other guy have a gun , it is a job for PAP. Hell if he has a sword the police probably gonna call PAP.
So if a lot of US swat think they need camo, I think it fair to say PAP need camo.
PAP also functions as part of a reserve for the PLA , it is likely that in a event of war they will be called upon with the PLA reservist, and server as a rare security force ,in any way PAP is much closer to national guard then police.
I'm not sure the characterisation of the PAP as close to national guard units is accurate. From the footage of them training that I've seen they look like they're more highly trained than most PLAGF infantry I've seen, maybe like a midway point between US infantry and US special forces. I don't know about doctrine, maybe that's more similar to a "national guard" style formation. But at least on an individual infantry level they look like they're better trained than national guard units.
 

wssth0306

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I'm not sure the characterisation of the PAP as close to national guard units is accurate. From the footage of them training that I've seen they look like they're more highly trained than most PLAGF infantry I've seen, maybe like a midway point between US infantry and US special forces. I don't know about doctrine, maybe that's more similar to a "national guard" style formation. But at least on an individual infantry level they look like they're better trained than national guard units.
Most PAP footage are not from the normal infantry , they are from the spec ops unit so that not really representative of the training for the most of PAP or PLA. In doctrine ,PAP spec ops handles counter terrorist mission and internal armed threats , this means anything from a drug bust to plane hijack.

But the PAP spec ops are just a tiny part of PAP . Post 2017 , PAP is divided into 3 parts , each province has it's own local crop , And the central commission dirctly control 2 mobile crops , lastly you have the cost guard. A crop of 10K men maybe will only have about a spec ops battalion , so that 800 men if not less.
The rest of battalion in the local crop handle most of the armed internal security duty with the police , disaster relief , and riot control if needed. In China you see them quite often guarding train stations, power stations, prisons ,gold and cash reserves .They also provide man power to natural disasters, and also carries out above mentioned drug busts, assisting in police arrests.
The mobile corps are held back for national emergency response , most likely national crisis ,for example a majors earth quake , typhoons.
They also have it's own more elite spec ops unit then the ones normally shown , for example the Snow leopards belong to the 2nd mobile crops and is the national contingency for hostage rescue.

What is likely , that in a time of war , it is likely that the 2 mobile crops will be committed to provide needed man power for the PLA and more battalions from the local crops, since it is a fully active unit the mobilization will take much less then the rest of the reserve , so in that sense in is like the US national guard.
In the other sense they are a major part of the Chinese internal security , performing the role of SWAT , DEA , counter terror , and coast guard.
 

bjj_starter

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Most PAP footage are not from the normal infantry , they are from the spec ops unit so that not really representative of the training for the most of PAP or PLA. In doctrine ,PAP spec ops handles counter terrorist mission and internal armed threats , this means anything from a drug bust to plane hijack.

But the PAP spec ops are just a tiny part of PAP . Post 2017 , PAP is divided into 3 parts , each province has it's own local crop , And the central commission dirctly control 2 mobile crops , lastly you have the cost guard. A crop of 10K men maybe will only have about a spec ops battalion , so that 800 men if not less.
The rest of battalion in the local crop handle most of the armed internal security duty with the police , disaster relief , and riot control if needed. In China you see them quite often guarding train stations, power stations, prisons ,gold and cash reserves .They also provide man power to natural disasters, and also carries out above mentioned drug busts, assisting in police arrests.
The mobile corps are held back for national emergency response , most likely national crisis ,for example a majors earth quake , typhoons.
They also have it's own more elite spec ops unit then the ones normally shown , for example the Snow leopards belong to the 2nd mobile crops and is the national contingency for hostage rescue.

What is likely , that in a time of war , it is likely that the 2 mobile crops will be committed to provide needed man power for the PLA and more battalions from the local crops, since it is a fully active unit the mobilization will take much less then the rest of the reserve , so in that sense in is like the US national guard.
In the other sense they are a major part of the Chinese internal security , performing the role of SWAT , DEA , counter terror , and coast guard.
Thank you, that was very informative!
 

Andy1974

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Most PAP footage are not from the normal infantry , they are from the spec ops unit so that not really representative of the training for the most of PAP or PLA. In doctrine ,PAP spec ops handles counter terrorist mission and internal armed threats , this means anything from a drug bust to plane hijack.

But the PAP spec ops are just a tiny part of PAP . Post 2017 , PAP is divided into 3 parts , each province has it's own local crop , And the central commission dirctly control 2 mobile crops , lastly you have the cost guard. A crop of 10K men maybe will only have about a spec ops battalion , so that 800 men if not less.
The rest of battalion in the local crop handle most of the armed internal security duty with the police , disaster relief , and riot control if needed. In China you see them quite often guarding train stations, power stations, prisons ,gold and cash reserves .They also provide man power to natural disasters, and also carries out above mentioned drug busts, assisting in police arrests.
The mobile corps are held back for national emergency response , most likely national crisis ,for example a majors earth quake , typhoons.
They also have it's own more elite spec ops unit then the ones normally shown , for example the Snow leopards belong to the 2nd mobile crops and is the national contingency for hostage rescue.

What is likely , that in a time of war , it is likely that the 2 mobile crops will be committed to provide needed man power for the PLA and more battalions from the local crops, since it is a fully active unit the mobilization will take much less then the rest of the reserve , so in that sense in is like the US national guard.
In the other sense they are a major part of the Chinese internal security , performing the role of SWAT , DEA , counter terror , and coast guard.
Do they not also have 10k police in reserve for going abroad if requested?
 

wssth0306

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Do they not also have 10k police in reserve for going abroad if requested?
In principle yes ,but Chinese police is very much under manned , and as far as I know China doesn't have a police reserve , In principle the police can be mobilized to become a PLA unit if needed , but it is unlikely IMO.
Most of Chinese province has more then 200 million people ,is about the size of Belgium , and has less then 100K police officers , so that severely undermanned. For the most part the civil order in China are not been maintained by the police the same way in other countries. Civil complaint are handled by local councils , and other government agencies.
Chinese police is surprisingly smaller then what one would think .
Back in my neighborhood , for a neighborhood of 20K , the police outpost had 5 guys. and that considered good , most areas had less , rural areas especially has none a lot of times.
 

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