indian ocean conflict

IDonT said:

Isn't the SU-30 MKI one of the best aircraft in the world? It might even be superior to the ones the PLAAF has. These planes do not need replacement until after 2015.

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mki is, but I was just referring to PAK FA statement.

It's just a matter of pride for the Indians to say that they can developed the Brahmos. I mean in war, the last thing on your mind when Brahmos is targeting you is how much the Indian part of its development was.

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again, this was directed at the statement that the Indians can develop a 400/500 KM Brahmos.

The truth is, in the Indian ocean, India is second only to the US in power projection and capability. Any chinese outpost or base within the perephiry of India will the priority target if hostilities start. China will not have sufficient capability to reinforced it in force as long as the Indian navy guards the Indian ocean mouth to the Malacca Straights.

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Very true. All the arguments about whether India or China has better navy is quite irrelevant, since they cannot beat each other at their backyard.

Thing with PLAN and IN is that they can only fight in their own turfs for now. The IN won't stand a chance against the PLAN in the South China Sea and the PLAN won't stand a chance against the IN in the Indian Ocean. However, we are discussing 2012 and that is a LONG time from now. We can more easily predict the IN's aquistions by then than we can about the PLAN (reason being that Chinese military projects are usually shrouded in secrecy).

crazyinsane105 said:

Thing with PLAN and IN is that they can only fight in their own turfs for now. The IN won't stand a chance against the PLAN in the South China Sea and the PLAN won't stand a chance against the IN in the Indian Ocean. However, we are discussing 2012 and that is a LONG time from now. We can more easily predict the IN's aquistions by then than we can about the PLAN (reason being that Chinese military projects are usually shrouded in secrecy).

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Agreed. That sums it up perfectly. Need we continue?

FriedRiceNSpice said:

Agreed. That sums it up perfectly. Need we continue?

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Well, it has been an extremely interesting conversation so far. It would be sad to see it end right now.

How about a different scenario:

We ARE talking about 2012 here and that is 7 years. Yes, the PLAN and the IN and even the PN would have drastically changed by then in terms of strenght/projection capabilities, manpower, finance, etc. So by 2012, there is a possibility the IN could be fielding about 2 aircraft battle carrier groups and the PLAN would probably have one. But let's throw in something interesting: let's say Pakistan actually allows China to not only dock warships at or near Gwadar, but also gives China permission to have several squadrons of mutli-purpose fighter aircraft (su-35bm) based by Gwadar in Pakistani airfields. Along with the fighter bombers, there would be an AWAC and 1-2 refueling tankers. Also, there would be a sizable force of diesel subs in the area (let's say 6-8) along with some surface ships. If there is a PLAN+PN incident vs IN incident, how will it play out?

Su-35bms...
Are the MKIs still India's best at this time?
And how much of the PLAN is deployed in Gwadar?

FriedRiceNSpice said:

Su-35bms...
Are the MKIs still India's best at this time?
And how much of the PLAN is deployed in Gwadar?

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MKI's would probably be the best the IAF would have at that time. Also, since this is 2012, the Taiwan conflict would probably have been resolved one way or another. So a good chunk of the PLAN would be there.

I largely agree that 2012 is pure speculation.
I'd also like to correct some forumers. I seriously doubt the IN would just deploy the PJ-10 AShM on her ships. I believe by that time the Sagrikia cruise missile would be ready. We know the existence of the missile and the ATV nuclear submarines. Its now a question of when.

jatt said:

I largely agree that 2012 is pure speculation.
I'd also like to correct some forumers. I seriously doubt the IN would just deploy the PJ-10 AShM on her ships. I believe by that time the Sagrikia cruise missile would be ready. We know the existence of the missile and the ATV nuclear submarines. Its now a question of when.

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sorry, can we get a little info on this cruise missile?

jatt said:

I largely agree that 2012 is pure speculation.
I'd also like to correct some forumers. I seriously doubt the IN would just deploy the PJ-10 AShM on her ships. I believe by that time the Sagrikia cruise missile would be ready. We know the existence of the missile and the ATV nuclear submarines. Its now a question of when.

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The ATV subs are still under construction. Whether or not they will be successful remains a question. When China built its first nuclear sub, it was considered to be a large noisy tub by many Western sources. And even though for the most part it was, that nuke tech gave China MUCH NEEDED experience in this particular field. And guess what? The 094 is being classified as equivalent to the early Los Angeles class subs. Same thing could happen for India. The ATV may not be very useful in combat, but it will definetely give India's engineers much needed experience in building such submarines.

Even if PLANAF has some fighters in Pakistan, I think India's home field advantage would probably be too much. If you want a fair fight it should happen in the Strait of Malaka. For instance, say Singapore suddenly had a civil war, and China and India decided to support opposing sides. PLAN and the IN both send forces to support thier side and gain control over this very strategic area.