keysersoze
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It could just mean that they have not officially notified the Indians of the delay. Probably looking at options to reduce the delay before making a official announcement.
Indian navy running into carrier problems....
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India has several major shipyards. Mazagon Docks Ltd. has extensive experience in building warships, such as the Type 16 (Leander Class) Frigate, Godavari Class Frigate, Delhi Class Destroyer, Project 17 Frigate (Shivalik Class), Kolkata class Destroyer, and various Corvettes, OPV's, etc.
From importing used warships just couple of decades ago, India has moved to joint R&D projects and domestic R&D for new weapon platforms. They've made good progress on a relatively small budget over the years.
The carrier project is much larger in size that any previous military ship, so some days and problems should be expected.
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Chengdu J-10
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PLA are long term thinkers, they have built domestic vessels such as domestic frigates, destroyers, submarines to form starting piece of the carrier battle group. From what progress they made they are developing all the pieces around the carrier, but not the actual carrier itself. Wise decision, why build a carrier without esscorts?
India seems to be achieving short term goals, jumping in to fast to achieve things to prove themselves to the world. Forget what the world thinks in concentrate on your assets. India should develop domestic submarine, destroyers and esscorts before the developing the carrier. Cause without a true blue fleet, your carrier is completly useless in battle wise and is a mere show and tell.
India seems to be achieving short term goals, jumping in to fast to achieve things to prove themselves to the world. Forget what the world thinks in concentrate on your assets. India should develop domestic submarine, destroyers and esscorts before the developing the carrier. Cause without a true blue fleet, your carrier is completly useless in battle wise and is a mere show and tell.
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I've already mentioned the surface ships built or being built by Mazagaon Docks Ltd in India.
For submarine fleet, Mazagaon Docs Ltd is building the Project 75 (Scorpene) conventional submarines, and another yard is building the nuclear powered ATV (Advanced Technology Vessel) submarine. The first Indian-built nuclear submarine (ATV) will be launched this year, possibly armed with nuclear SLBM's:
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Regarding your comments on blue-water navy requirements, I'd note that the Indian navy's traditional rivals are all next-door, not unlike China. Though India has the good fortune of being the only naval power in her backyard, versus China has to contend with other regional powers like Japan.
Thus, the requirements of the Indian navy is not the same as the USN ("true blue fleet"). They merely have to move next-door to blockade Karachi Harbor. Also, unlike the PRC, India is not under strict arms embargo by the west, so they can import technology from a wide range of sources to save $, though this seem to backfire in various arms purchase scandals.
The Indian navy has been operating aircraft carriers since 1961. The Indo-Pakistani conflict of 1971, and the ensuing stand-off between USS Enterprise and the Indian carrier task force (in which the USN backed off) has showed the value of carriers to the Indian Navy.
I think that this whole situation shows how much of a mistake purchasing the Gorshkov was in the first place for the Indian Navy. Really, they should not have bought a 70s vintage, delapidated Soviet carrier (which were never really very good to begin with). It was a poor idea because it was looking back rather moving forward. Really India did not need the Gorshkov; they have a carrier with extendable service life, and they have an indigenous carrier being worked on. They do not need to interrupt this natural progression with a piece of obsolete technology like the Gorshkov that will not add much to their indigenous defense industry.
This is different from China's situation with the Varyag mainly because they have never had a carrier before. They need a more readily available carrier to develop the expertise in carrier constuction, maitnence and operations so they will be ready for an indigenous carrier several years down the line.
This is different from China's situation with the Varyag mainly because they have never had a carrier before. They need a more readily available carrier to develop the expertise in carrier constuction, maitnence and operations so they will be ready for an indigenous carrier several years down the line.
Exactly!!!
If the US was not so paranoid about an CV falling into the "wrong hands" one of the Forrestal class could have been sold off to India at a nominal cost..Put $1.5 billion USD SLEP(Ship Life Extension Program) into a Forrestal class and you have a ship ready to serve for 20+ years if properly maintained.
The US State Department had a it's fingers in the "pie" and that's why the Big "E" backed off...Vikrant Vs the "Big E"??? My money is on CVN-65...
During the '65 war, the Indian carrier didn't even leave its port due to the fear of Pakistan's submarines. And during '71, adding to what Popeye said, the Russians even sent their own carrier task force to challenge the Americans. The US wasn't ready to start a World War over a conflict between Pakistan and India...
I hadn't heard about that incident before but I read up a bit on it and it sounds like it was because the Soviets were in the area. Were you on the Enterprise at the time? I forget what ships you were on again...I know one was the Midway and another was the Constellation.
Would you care to provide details of the Soviet carrier task forces in 1971? Bearing in mind of course that Kiev didn't put to sea for another five years...
