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First images of the Indian Aircraft Carrier 'Floated out'




so she is floated out to make room for another ship in the drydock?

paintgun said:

First images of the Indian Aircraft Carrier 'Floated out'

so she is floated out to make room for another ship in the drydock?

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If the hull has reached this stage of completion, I really wonder how much work it'd be when they finally do the installation of heavy machinery and propulsion systems...just all the decks and hulls they've to cut through to get there, and supposedly it's harder on military-grade ships than a civilian one.

Trust me, all the heavy stuff (Gearboxes etc) will be in situ already. The actual Gas Turbines can be installed later as they are a lot smaller than you'd imagine, relative to the size of the ship. On the Invincible class, the four RR Olympus GTs could be exchanged using the funnel uptake shafts to the hangar deck. They weighed 3 tonnes each. So twelve tonnes of jet power propelled 20,000 tonnes of aircraft carrier. Steam Turbines were a whole different game, they stayed in place from the day of installation (before the ship was launched) until the ship was scrapped. Changing one if needed meant cutting a large hole in the side of the ship whilst in drydock.

not really news, but good photos, sleek looking bird, wish they take better care of the paint

This plane is a joke. Started off 40 years ago and it's still not completed. It's design is outdated and even a kid could point out it's a 2nd generation aircraft. Don't know why the Indians would want to field this junk into their military. The best thing for the Indians to do is to field it in small numbers, at the same time devote all their energy into the 4th generation successor, that is if they have the ability.

no bashing please, can't blame them for trying to push through, aerospace (or anything grand) is never easy, add in a mistake or two, and you get a nightmare

found these on ***********(whoops censored) magazine article

This is not bashing but telling the truth that everyone is reluctant to say. This is like a bad calculus equation to start off with. The harder you try, the more messed up it becomes. You eventually end up with a completely different equation from where you started. That's what happened with the HAL Tejas. If my memory serves me correctly, its avionics and airframes were so poorly designed, that external drop tanks cannot be dropped after emptied, since it would offset the balance and down the aircraft. Honestly, this is a joke. All of you here probably know about the single winged F15 in Israel in 1983. Even computers and designs back then from the 70s could fly without a wing. How could the Indians not solve the simple problem of a drop tank.
The best thing to do is to completely ditch the project, but use the technologies gained, and start with a clean sheet of paper. Or else, it's just going to be like a bad math equation. If you start wrong, you'll simply be more messed up as you try harder and harder trying to solve it.

i like the bad math analogy, and perhaps Tejas' journey can be described like that, still kudos to them when this bird goes to the production line, not many country build their own fighter jets

edit for news piece, so the rupee drop really hit hard :

The second phase of the government’s ambitious military expansion plan — worth Rs 65,000 crore — has run into rough weather. The finance ministry has red-flagged the plan with detailed queries and sent it back to the defence ministry with a bizarre question: will the Chinese threat last more than two years?

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The Tejas would have been out back in the mid 90s if the InAF hadn't consistently rewrote the design requirements (should have taken the modular approach) and some numskull insisted on using the Kaveri as an engine of first choice.

I heard a joke before, which was quite true. The American uses most advanced technologies and made most advanced weapons. The Soviets used some outdated tech and made most advanced weapons. The Indians used most advanced technologies and made the most outdated weapons.
This is somewhat an exaggeration, but it does reflect the current indian fiasco.