Yup. Ditto for most of the other "news" in this thread.
This thread can be closed or merged with a South Asia Military News thread (just like ASEAN military news thread).
India simply doesn't have a military (in a modern sense). Period.
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Yup. Ditto for most of the other "news" in this thread.
This thread can be closed or merged with a South Asia Military News thread (just like ASEAN military news thread).
India simply doesn't have a military (in a modern sense). Period.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
India has nukes, aircraft carriers and SSNs. I think that alone qualifies it as somewhat of a regional powerhouse by default. One can always discuss the 'effectiveness' of Indian's military or it's readiness etc and form your own conclusion based on that however from a capital asset and manpower standpoint India's military is no doubt in the top 5 in Asia and certainly the biggest by far among any country that shores the Indian ocean.
I do agree that there are no where close to parity with China but to say they do not have any modern military is a tad dishonest IMHO.
What do you mean by a "modern sense"? I wasn't aware the term "military" had changed meanings from the ancient era to the modern era. The military is a force dedicated to ensuring the interests of a country using violence; India has a military in every sense of the word.
INS Vikramaditya Poised to meet dealdline
Here's a good, lengthy article about the INS Vikramaditya aircraft carrier and its current schedule, including some details previously not mentioned:
Here's a good, lengthy article about the INS Vikramaditya aircraft carrier and its current schedule, including some details previously not mentioned:
Russia & India Report - April 25 said:
asif iqbal
Banned Idiot
If that was true a country 7 times smaller in economy, population, land and army would have been over run by now, but since 1947 to today the border between Pakistan and India has not changed, infact Pakistan controls more of Kashmir than it did in 1947, so they can't be that much of a regional powerhouse
Regarding INS Vikramaditya I will just believe it when it sails in the Indian Navy
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Where did I say they don't have a modern military? That is clearly not true. But to make their one aircraft carrier and one borrowed Russian Akuma into plurals is also clearly wrong. India has nukes, one operational light carrier, and one experimental/training Russian SSN.
If you want to play their military significance up, better to stick to their Air Force, which has some very nice kit and the excellent Rafale to come.
Their army also demands respect because of its size even if they don't field anything especially noteworthy, but the Indian navy is actually the least impressive of the three services when compared to the world's top military powers. Maybe its big fish small pond syndrome...
The IAF and IA can certainly give any Western European Air Force or army a good run for their money if through nothing else than sheer numbers, but in terms of naval power, you really cannot see the IN being able to take on the RN, French navy, South Korean or Japanese navies before you even get to the top three big boys of America, China or Russia.
Far from wetdreaming of gaining parity with the PLAN in the SCS as that article delusionally suggests, the IN is actually far more worried about the possibility of loosing dominance in their own backyard of the Indian Ocean to the PLAN as China develops its blue water and power projection capabilities.
By your logic, the Korean peninsula should be under Chinese control right now, as should South East Asian countries bordering China. You cannot dispute that China is a regional powerhouse, but her borders with neighbouring countries has not changed since 1949; land borders are clearly not a good indication of a country's strength. China has not overrun any neighbouring countries since becoming a regional powerhouse.
If you think that India can only be a regional powerhouse by successfully invading Pakistan, then you're sabre rattling a bit. China never had to prove her regional dominance through invasions of the Korean peninsula or conquests of South East Asia and India doesn't either. Contrary to your belief, India can be a regional powerhouse without having to prove it by invading (or attempting to) Pakistan.
That was the most delusional articles I've read in along time. I smirked after reading the first sentence, then burst out laughing at start of the 2nd paragraph. Overestimating your own strength is one of the biggest no-nos when it comes to warfare, and while I'm not saying the all the Indian military planners share the same thoughts as the author, the fact of the matter is that India has many troubles building modern military equipment on its own.
On top of all that, India is importing so much foreign hardware that logistics would be a nightmare.
On top of all that, India is importing so much foreign hardware that logistics would be a nightmare.
I think out of all the three branches of a modern military, naval power is easiest to quantify.
It's 2013 and the IN doesn't even have one remotely modern PAR equipped AAW destroyer in service, its existing combatants with AAW capability such as shivalik and delhi are equipped with arm firing Shtils whose coverage is mediocre at best, at 30+km, and that will only be partially rectified with the introduction of the kolkata class with the 70km barak 8, which is still inferior to the modern Standard family or the PLAN's HHQ-9.
Compare that with the number of VLS equipped 054As, 052Cs and 052Ds in service, built, or down the pipeline, and the disparity becomes starkly obvious.
And that's ignoring the relative lack of underway replenishment vessels for the IN...
I personally find that article amusingly and refreshingly blunt, the author makes his intentions very clear despite the failures of logic.
If India does manage to achieve and keep a carrier parity (or superiority lol) over the PLAN, then some events the article describes may transpire, but looking at how fast the Indians build their frigates and destroyers compared to how fast chinese shipyards are pumping them out... well the IN may have a couple or even three medium sized carriers yes, but they're going to be meagerly defended and a single CVBG hypothetically in 2016 will likely drain half of their modern surface combatant force
It's 2013 and the IN doesn't even have one remotely modern PAR equipped AAW destroyer in service, its existing combatants with AAW capability such as shivalik and delhi are equipped with arm firing Shtils whose coverage is mediocre at best, at 30+km, and that will only be partially rectified with the introduction of the kolkata class with the 70km barak 8, which is still inferior to the modern Standard family or the PLAN's HHQ-9.
Compare that with the number of VLS equipped 054As, 052Cs and 052Ds in service, built, or down the pipeline, and the disparity becomes starkly obvious.
And that's ignoring the relative lack of underway replenishment vessels for the IN...
I personally find that article amusingly and refreshingly blunt, the author makes his intentions very clear despite the failures of logic.
If India does manage to achieve and keep a carrier parity (or superiority lol) over the PLAN, then some events the article describes may transpire, but looking at how fast the Indians build their frigates and destroyers compared to how fast chinese shipyards are pumping them out... well the IN may have a couple or even three medium sized carriers yes, but they're going to be meagerly defended and a single CVBG hypothetically in 2016 will likely drain half of their modern surface combatant force