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4Tran

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This seems to a commonly stated thing which may be a fallacy.

China did it. Therefore India can do it.
This may be the most operative summation of the mentality behind the Indian government. It assumes that China is very similar to India (it isn't) because of population sizes, but India has certain advantages so it should be in an even better position. India is a democracy (it is, but it's highly dysfunctional one), and democracy is the best form of government (it isn't). India is stronger because has a more diverse culture (it is more diverse, but that doesn't confer any advantages) and it inherited strong institutions from Britain (hah!). China doesn't have any allies (true, mostly), but India has friends everywhere (nope). And so on.

Honestly, I don't think it's impossible to reform India's military into a world class fighting force. They have a lot to spend, and there is a lot of political support to put more resources into the military. The main obstacle (other than the I will disease) is that creating prestigous sounding results is more important than making something effective. India doesn't face any existential threats, and this proves to be both a blessing and a curse. Obviously it's good to not have to worry about getting invaded, but it also means that there's no consequence for corruption or making promises that have no bearing on reality.

Hide and Bide(and prep)!

A little back to Military news:
This reminds me of all those Future Combat Systems diagrams the US Army used to make. Are the Indians trying to reproduce the effectiveness of that program? :)
 

defenceman

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IAF future bvr hopes and dreams are on this Astra series of missiles, this variant is mk3 i think
I saw someplaosint replied perfectly


Maybe if they try to mimick one the superpowers they can get the same 'effectiveness' /s ;)
Hi,
by the way this missile Gandiva when will it be ready to fire and from which AESA MKI
and when by the time any gandiva will start flying china will have something else to
Fire beside PL17 or more lethal for the long range air battle im sure before Indian put their own
AESA or trying to on Su30, they have to buy Su35 or may be Su57 while putting and upgrading
SU30 MKI
thank you
 

valysre

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I'm sure they can get this missile out eventually. Although, I do imagine once the Gandiva enters true regular service, the successor to the PL-17 will already be in frontline deployment, if the gap in aircraft generations is anything to go by. Tejas is still undergoing design changes, and I don't think the design will be settled before the J-36 and J-XDS enter service.
 

Gloire_bb

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This seems to a commonly stated thing which may be a fallacy.

China did it. Therefore India can do it.

Maybe it can. Maybe it cannot. The term middle income trap is reserved for all those countries who had "potential" (a word used by a lot by India for itself) and failed. Now we don't even think of them as taking over. Back in the day Brazil had hope.
India has a looong way to go until middle income trap, they aren't even at 3'000 usd per capita yet; that's way less than 1/4 of China. Middle income gap is something China itself just about enters.

Even by entering middle income trap, a country of 1.4 billion will become a lot (like economy x4, productivity - way more than that, as India at the moment has just 81% literacy rate and 36% population in urban areas).

You're basically proposing to bet on India unable to reach middle income, when factors that lead current extreme economic growth are essentially free. India's inputs at the moment will sustain this growth by themself; government must more or less avoid collapse to do well. This isn't that high of a bar.
And it's not exactly a good case of future proofing to just hope that the other guy will utterly fail.
 
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Randomuser

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India has a looong way to go until middle income trap, they aren't even at 3'000 usd per capita yet; that's way less than 1/4 of China. Middle income gap is something China itself just about enters.

Even by entering middle income trap, a country of 1.4 billion will become a lot (like economy x4, productivity - way more than that, as India at the moment has just 81% literacy rate and 36% population in urban areas).

You're basically proposing to bet on India unable to reach middle income, when factors that lead current extreme economic growth are essentially free. India's inputs at the moment will sustain this growth by themself; government must more or less avoid collapse to do well. This isn't that high of a bar.
And it's not exactly a good case of future proofing to just hope that the other guy will utterly fail.
If China is only reaching the middle income trap now after years of uninterrupted double digit growth (something India doesn't have) and being low profile while there was still opportunities to take over manufacturing with no AI, I can only imagine how much worse India will have it. There would basically need to be some complete shift in paradigm from what we currently know. All the major powers would also probably have to be blown up or heavily neutered too. Basically almost none of us will be able to forsee.

It's dumb to ignore India and it's "potential". But at the same time there are limited resources and time. One has to know how to prioritize and the correct weighting to assign worrying about each country. Anyway I better stop before we go off topic here since the focus is on what Indian military currently has or will feasibly have in the near future.
 
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AlexYe

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Hi,
by the way this missile Gandiva when will it be ready to fire and from which AESA MKI
and when by the time any gandiva will start flying china will have something else to
Fire beside PL17 or more lethal for the long range air battle im sure before Indian put their own
AESA or trying to on Su30, they have to buy Su35 or may be Su57 while putting and upgrading
SU30 MKI
thank you
Its only going go do its 1st test sometime this year, apparently full production is around 2030-2031 (so prob 2032)
And it also assumes that sukhoi's went through the 'super' upgrade.
So safe to say there China will have something new by then
India has a looong way to go until middle income trap, they aren't even at 3'000 usd per capita yet; that's way less than 1/4 of China. Middle income gap is something China itself just about enters.

Even by entering middle income trap, a country of 1.4 billion will become a lot (like economy x4, productivity - way more than that, as India at the moment has just 81% literacy rate and 36% population in urban areas).

You're basically proposing to bet on India unable to reach middle income, when factors that lead current extreme economic growth are essentially free. India's inputs at the moment will sustain this growth by themself; government must more or less avoid collapse to do well. This isn't that high of a bar.
And it's not exactly a good case of future proofing to just hope that the other guy will utterly fail.
Something to keep in mind is that majority of the people's whose income/quality of like that has improved over the years are only the ones who could afford university education, in india's 1.4 billion thats only about 300-400 million people
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Because India went into the IT/service industry first and not into low cost low end manufacturing as much, the bottom 1 billion people havnt seen as big shift into being uplifted.
And Since 2020 the cities in india are seeing reverse-migration, where 42% of workforce was in agriculture in 2019 which in 2024 was up 46% ( and projected to grow more in 2025)
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